Thanks man that line sounds pretty good

True that makes sense. Yeah I added the lol because I didn't want it to sound like I actually hate sex. What do you think. Plus she's foreign, so do you think the joke could get lost in language difference

Nah usually I agree with you man but her legs were shaking from fear. She confirmed it in the car. I mean she said that thing about the "me too" movement. She gave me resistance multiple times and I persisted each time because of the point of no return, but it was too much. I think she just wasn't down for sex on the first date, as she's never done that before. Also she wouldn't block me the morning after just from point of no return right?

Ah yes I see how important that is, reminding her that she was also interested in it as well

Haha interesting, guess we all have our preference here. If I meet any actual crazies at some point I might switch to that but myself I personally have a harder time with PDA. Might be the age difference of us in the forums and where we live that makes us have diff preference

Thanks for the text, I might text her but not sure yet. I was thinking of apologizing like you have here and everything, but then waiting until she responds to ask for a second chance. Basically just to say sorry and let her become comfortable with that before asking for second chance which I thought could be too much in the first text

True I should've pre-empted the ghost by texting that but since our vibe was so good before and after I thought we were good. But, ofcourse, we weren't. I like the win/win stuff thanks. Yeah maybe she is a people pleaser. I wouldn't have thought so because she's from NYC and is slightly ratchet because of that, but I do think her friend definitely convinced her or changed her mind.

Thanks man, I would have also thought so, but we talked about sex and her past experiences and she said she lost it at like 15. Of course, she could have not been telling the truth. True though, I will def keep this is mind and not take what she says at face value. In the future I'll bring up if the girl is a virgin to see if that hits. But definitely will tone back the persistence a bit on first dates and with younger girls.

Yeah not sure yet if I'll text her from another number, it would be weird and I definitely don't want to include any words or assumptions that I did something.

Thanks for the advice

You could try to close but that would likely be flakey. More investment needed. Since she's challenging you here, I'd probably use something that makes you the buyer like "If you play your cards right I just might" then she might have some snarky remark like "Oh really" and I'd go "Yes. So give me the basics, tattoos? Pets? Any crazy ex's?" PWF lines here, but they work well for me

Definitely agree. I don't like getting drinks, at least not as the sole activity of the date, since it's awkward to escalate in that environment. And I make sure to say semi private so she doesn't get uncomfortable