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Since joining PWF a couple of weeks ago, I understand (online) game a lot better. A lot of valuable content on here! But I notice a small gap in practical application. The lay reports show a lot of good info, but it seems most of the time there is already pretty good response/investment from the start. In combination with the skills of the PWF men, it can feel like a big gap. Where we start as rookies and where they are already. I think it would be very beneficial if the guys on here would share some stories about how they turned around their game. Some before and after text game screenshots, the mental aspect of it etc. Now we just need YOU to break the ice and post YOUR succes story in this thread!

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So I have been talking to this girl for a while, good banter, even sexualizing some texts, but every time I tried to push for the soft close she would completely shut it down by responding simply "no" However, after getting tired of this, I hit her with a takeaway "look i've been trying to see you for a while now but every time i bring it up you keep deflecting so let me know if you are actually interesting in meeting up or i'm done trying" To which she finally agreed to go out and we made initial plans for Friday and then I didn't text her for 2 days or so until Friday. Friday rolls up, I open her up, and then ask about if we are still good for tonight, she says she forgot about it, she has to get her nails done but offers to still see me after her nails appointment. I decline, as it was kinda late and messing with the rest of my schedule so I countered with Saturday instead. But, she is meeting her sister on Saturday, and she offers for Sunday instead, to which I agree and we leave it for Sunday. I don't text her until Sunday morning, when I open up again. She is ok, tell her the time and location and she says "alright🫡" But then, not even an hour later she flakes "hey, sadly something came up and we'll have to reschedule. maybe we'll go out another time" Now here is where i think i messed up because i replied with "you're breaking my heart NAME" and she left me on read. I don't know what to do at this point. I am thinking of waiting a day or two and then calling her out like "i didn't take you for the flakey type" because I don't think her excuse was real, i think she just got too nervous and anxious as she did tell me she had problems like that.

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Matched with a girl on hinge, went out on a date and made out a couple of times. Things were then pretty sexual over text and we decided to schedule our next "massage date" at a hotel room (Because our place is not an option, we both stay with parents. Common here in India) and she was like "I've got 2 non-negotiables, I won't go down on you and no sex". BTW, I screened her earlier about her dating intentions and she was like "I'm experimenting" So I replied with classic PWF line "Ok. Do you hate sex or something" and she was like "No, I'm just not ready for it" so I took a takeaway and understood that the underlying meaning might potentially be that she is down only if I act cool around and not there just for sex, so I sent her "I get it, it's completely normal to feel that way. I don't come with any expectations, if it happens naturally great, if it doesn't I won't get butt hurt". After that we had some other back and forth texts again bit sexualized convo where I was teasing her about our last makeout and all. Did I handle this properly? And does this really mean that escalating things the next time will be v difficult?

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I was backstage at my friend's dj set on a rooftop in nyc. There was this Korean chick from korea I think in her early 30s who happened to start standing next to me -- it was pretty empty, so it seemed like she wanted me to appraoch. I talked to her for a bit and got her number, then texted her after. It seemed flirty to me based on the vibe, but i didnt go more direct than "are you a model". is this actually a friendzone? or just some shit asian chicks do

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So my gf had a birthday the other day and she posted a pic with her family and in the pic you see people commenting happy birthday  And she posted all the people that came to see her and in her post a guy says "I love you happy birthday baby heart emoji" And she says "thank you so much for you and your daughter to come and see me and all the gifts I love you very much " And the guy puts "I love you more" I looked at the guys page seems like around my age 30 ish" I confronted her about it and she said what guy are you talking about my son that was in the video she pans the camera to her whole family  And says there was no other guy then I say the guys name and she said its her cousin then I say that's not your cousin just to see her bluff and she says that it's a family friend that she watches his daughter  it just doesn't sit well with me she takes forever to reply and I saw she even like replied to his timeline about a video it could be a cousin  But I feel it's not and she tried to twist things on me about that I talk to other girls which is a red flag all around now she's saying that she can't go out as much because of imagration Which is true and her family are Immigrants and so is she so her dad just got out of surgery and the mom has surgery this week she said she'll be busy taking care of both of them while trying to work at night I do believe that part  And shes told me that this whole situation brings her alot of stress which I understand she's juggling a job trying to help pay her families rent while caring for them while ice is in the area But I don't know am I wrong for pressing her about this I don't know what I should do I kinda just want to keep her around for sex she's a really good person but I just don't like the not texting back for a long ass time  Days or even a week which is showing low interest already sometimes she'll just read my message which I don't want to loose more dignity that I have because honestly I think I  just wanna go travel to Thailand and Brazil and just forget about her but I do care and love her what should I do in this situation 

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So i have been talking to this girl for about a week and it was going well. I think vibe was fun and flirty, but every time i try to slowly push for a close "i can show you on our date" or "we can discuss that when we go out" texts like that, she just completely shuts them down by saying simply "no". No to the idea of going out, that she is anxious, that she doesn't trust men, she doesn't like going out etc. And I am feeling mixed signals because she also sent me cute selfies of her in a big cleavage, or sent suggestive memes and I think I might have been a bit too eager to respond to those. Anyway I don't know how to proceed. I'm thinking about either pulling away completely with something like "look i've been trying to meet you for a while now but you keep dismissing it so if you're just not interested let me know and i'll stop". Or suggesting a very casual no pressure 10-15 minute walk around the block.

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I am 20 YO and from Denmark. Recently got the app, shit isn't really working too well for me, and I have other friends in the free møde who have great success. My bio is in Danish, but translated it sounds: Very competent and extremely humble 😤 Looking for a fun and thoughtful girl - or, actually just someone who can carry gear at my concerts Pretty eyes and tats are a huge plus Pictures and promts are among the photos, the first pic is on the far right, and the order goes left. Tinder for some reason lowers the resolution of my photos, which sucks, but oh well. What needs improvement?

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had a girl come straight over and banged her a few times, both with a condom. first time was normal bunch of cum in the condom. second time wasn't much there, came inside with the condom on. i flushed it right after so idk if it broke. she said she wasnt ovulating and was supposed to get period in a few days so was prob fine, but she didn't want to tkae a plan b and wasnt on birth control. it's been a week and i texted her if she got the period, which she didnt yet but said it was normal so far. she seems cooperative, she comes from a wealthy family in china and went to an expensive private college and just graduated. she knows i have some new money but i dont think she'd try to trap me given her background. am i fucked? and how do i handle if she is pregnant so she aborts it?

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I booked my first Airbnb and I packed it with like 6 straight to the house leads for drinks. But I saw the hidden details after the purchase that non authorized people allowed will charge fee if so Does that mean I'm screwed if I bring multiple chicks over I'll get charged if it gets dark couldn't I make it seem like it was my same guest because I got it for 2 guests just wondering  If anyone's had this issue or got around it I'm still gonna bring chicks tho some will flake ha 

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The other day I met I girl I know peripherally, and we ended up bar hopping together a bunch, until 6:30 am. During this, she gave me plenty of hints and opportunities to go for a kiss. I didn't jump on any as I had a girlfriend here. She is not aware of this. Fast forward about a week and me and my girlfriend actually break up. I try to reengage the talks on IG, and she replies with investment, but it sounds kind of friendly. I wasn't overly flirty during this, but definitely teasing. She writes pretty nice and long replies but takes about a whole day to respond to texts, and because of that she doesn't feel too invested in me. It could very well be backwards rationalization, although I don't think she really had sex in mind when we were at the bars. I did end up owing her a drink though. Should I try to flirt more directly in the messages? Should I just ask her out and offer a drink on me? Or did she in fact backwards rationalize meaning I have to move on? Texts are in Danish so kinda difficult to provide a proper translation word for word sadly.

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So i was at the supermarket and i saw this girl who looked just like a dream, tall, beautiful legs, mini skirt. I'm sure she's a model as I'm in Milan and it's quiet common. As soon as she saw me she turned her head the other way, she looked scared and not wanting to give eye contact. I waited for her outside and it looked like she knew my plan in advance so she did like a sprint to avoid me. This is not in my head, I'm sure she saw me both inside and outside.  Felt shitty because I'm arab and maybe she is scared of immigrants and i might look like an immigrant who doesn't even have papers so i felt very bad.  Thing is all the girls i got from tinder were white and simped for me very hard and gave me chad treatment. But none of them is close to this girl. It's like two separate universe. All the girls from tinder were average. Felt some pretty bad anger but i decided fuck it i will chase her and tell her hey were are you from, knowing very well she will run a way but at least i would have my rep in. Tried following her and she started running toward the bus. I wanted to use ger to get a rep in knowing she will Sprint away. Wanted to use what I'm sure she will do to embrace the pain but she saw her bus. Every time this happens i go on Reddit and search for posts like "Woman have advantage in dating", " woman are never single", "woman are never lonely like man". I start reading the post on my phone instead of approaching and i get angry every time woman come up with the usual excuses like we don't have any advantage because man want to use us for sex and not love us . The tactic is to portray man like monsters to downplay the advantage and what hurt is male users side with them  I'm thinking of improving my style and approach younger 18 yo tecno girls. For some reason they are always receptive, not use to beign approached and never reject me on the spot. I need to get use to females so I'm not weird around them anymore Looking for advice to improve my inner game because it takes so little to go back to incel rage even after fucking 15 average girls with tinder My brain never updated

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