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For the next few days, I’m running a 20% discount on my program (Ultimate Dating Blueprint 2.0) This is the same system I’ve used to help 10,000+ guys go from: \- getting ignored \- overthinking every message \- conversations going nowhere …to actually getting matches, replies, and dates consistently. No fluff. Just the exact profile + texting system that gets results. In addition, this includes access to my private Mastermind group. In there, you can get direct help from me with setting up your profile, texting girls, running dates, and just about anything else you need help with Plus, you get to be part of a community with hundreds of like-minded guys who are sharing what worked for them, keeping each other accountable, and growing together. It's light-years better than the forums Offer ends April 12 - after that, it’s back to full price. 👉 playingfire.com/flash-sale If you’ve been on the fence, this is the best time to get in, because we don’t do these often – Alex

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A lot of people don’t realize this, but when you join our program, you also get access to a private Mastermind I run alongside the course. It’s an ongoing, members-only environment where you’re not guessing or going it alone. Inside the mastermind, you get: Direct help from me every single day (texts, profiles, dates, real situations) Weekly live Group Zoom calls with me A high-level community where experienced guys actively help newer members (people end up networking, becoming wingmen, and even real friends) Most guys come in for the information. They stay because they finally have feedback, accountability, and momentum. (The mastermind is available to PWF course members, and your first month is free) Important update: On February 12th, the mastermind price is going up from $49/month → $69/month for new members. If you join before then, you’re grandfathered in at $49/month for life (as long as you stay a member). The reason for the increase is simple: the mastermind has grown quickly, and because I’m personally involved every day, I need to cap bandwidth and keep the quality high. If you’ve been planning to join “eventually,” this is one of those moments where waiting actually costs you. 👉 Details / enrollment link below www.playingfire.com/sale

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Most guys lose girls over text, not because they’re boring, but because they don’t know what to say next. That’s why I built FireTexts. It’s like having me in your pocket when you’re texting. For the next 48 hours, FireTexts is 25% off on all subscription tiers. Once you lock it in, that price is grandfathered for as long as you stay. Want to test it first? No problem - every plan includes a free 3-day trial. Install for free: Apple Android

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Since joining PWF a couple of weeks ago, I understand (online) game a lot better. A lot of valuable content on here! But I notice a small gap in practical application. The lay reports show a lot of good info, but it seems most of the time there is already pretty good response/investment from the start. In combination with the skills of the PWF men, it can feel like a big gap. Where we start as rookies and where they are already. I think it would be very beneficial if the guys on here would share some stories about how they turned around their game. Some before and after text game screenshots, the mental aspect of it etc. Now we just need YOU to break the ice and post YOUR succes story in this thread!

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I’m unsure about how to reply without being too vague, which gives the girl sufficient conversational threads to go into and leaves her room to invest. Also, it was a rather short cold approach interaction without a future date being brought up, so what would be a good text that keeps it relevant to her and moves it forward/towards the idea of a meet up?

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Well not really a rant, just a clickbaity title, but more so my mezzo mezzo experience after being on 2 dates in 2 weeks I found on hinge. I 24M from Mumbai decent looking I'll give myself 6.5 or so have been using hinge for 2-3 weeks now. Have been using AI photos (not from Unreal tho, I won't name the app I used since Alex has affiliation with Unreal and while Unreal might be very good, the pricing doesn't seem to be nowhere close to affordable for an average Indian. $299 or even $279 after discount is a lot considering the purchasing power parity factor) but I was just saying the photos I've been using has gotten me a lot of matches like 41-42 matches (29 active, rest unmatched) in 2-3 weeks. My photos include playing badminton, rooftop bar portfolio shot, playing snooker, etc so it's a good combo of lifestyle, personality and activity. My prompts are also somewhat sexual and not completely platonic. Been using PWF's hinge profile prompts. And yes I'll admit I'm also using Hinge X but the women I've matched with so far seem to be very confused as to what they want. I've been matching with 21-25 year olds and having v good convos. Big ups to Fire texts app, I'm a paying sub and it's def helping me. But the 2 dates I went on they were very like just meet up have food and drinks and leave. First girl 23F, I had tried my best to escalate and sexualize with humour through text but all of them were falling flat. It was like she had decided she won't let anyone hit lol. We meet up at a bar for drinks, I sit besides her and she tells me to sit in front of her. I told her "I won't bite besides the crowd is too noisy and music is loud". She got up from her place and sat in front of me LMAO. Big 🚩. Anyways, I get the non-verbal cues that she doesn't want to escalate this date, I thought maybe with some comfort and get to know each other things will get easier. I try adding some slightly sexual humour here and there like "day was long... Ah Ik you like long things" etc as Alex instructs in his videos. But she was being too bratty and unresponsive. Biggest 🚩 she gets a couple of texts and starts replying, now I wouldn't be on my phone if I'm on a date, it's not a good sign unless it's like urgent or some work related shit. I still try to poke fun of it by saying something like "Seems like your boss is missing you way too much" and she starts explaining how this other guy who she was in short 10-15 day live in hoe phase with 2-3 years ago is now trying to get her back while he is in a relationship and having a girlfriend. Big turnoff for me. She is openly admitting her hoe phase and how her ex is trying to win her back and at one point during the date she tells me "I get this feeling you're trying to put on an act rn but deep down you're a lover boy" I throw that shit test back at her by saying "You got an eye for talent. I can be hopeless romantic and lover boy for the right girl, but I'm very selective who I want in my life". But that very moment I was so pissed like you've been through a hoe phase and now you want a decent sweet guy who's gonna be a simp around you F OFF. I didn't see the date going anywhere, def not at her place or even slight possibility of making out, we part ways and just out of courtesy I text her "text me when you reach home" and guess what... Blocked LOL. Second girl 25F, very good chemistry from the get go from texts, we have fun banter, I sexualize through texts, she becomes bit receptive to it in the sense she shares how submissive she is, shares me a link of 'why dancers are good in bed' (she is a dancer) etc but I could sense that she wasn't fully into the idea of sexting or sexualizing. I do the takeaways, it worked, came around setting up date and logistics I ask her if her place is an option. She tells me "that's level 2, level 1 let's meet and see the vibe and chemistry first" now I didn't explicitly say that we'd hookup, I just said we could split wine at her place. Again takeaway and meet at a pub, too loud music, I sit besides her and as the date went on (although she seemed to chill and fun compared to the other date mentioned up) she kinda let my slightly playfull sexualizing jokes fall flat, her body lang was also bit closed and reserved so I took takeaways and noticed them, her body then kinda opened, again when I'd come bit close to her (progressively not like pouncing on her) she'd again go all crossed hands and legs and leaning her body towards the other side. Plus her body lang kinda changed more when she got to know that I'm 24. FYI my age is visible on hinge and I didn't lie there but she didn't realize it before and she started feeling like I'm on a date with a guy 2 years younger than me!! I was trying to put that shit aside saying her it's just a number on our license, it don't matter unless the chemistry is good, I even joked "don't be so hard on yourself, you don't look that old and I'm not that young that you'll have to breastfeed me". But she seemed very biased and opinionated that young guys aren't intellectually smart etc etc. I tell her let's dance together and have fun and she straight up puts me down like "No I have to be drunk enough to dance etc". Cmon she is a dancer and wouldn't dance sober? BS! I poke fun of her by saying "well if we dance drunk together your hands will go places it shouldn't" and again she tries to put it down like "No that won't happen trust me". At this point I realize she ain't gonna let me escalate even verbally. We finish of our drinks and food, walk outside a couple of mins, I try holding her hands (not in a creepy or in way that comes across random) but she wasn't even into that. And while walking, even this girl starts mentioning about her hoe phase and how hinge is now diff etc. Idk if time will prob help here with this girl, it's been a couple of hours since I had texted her "text me when you reach home" and I haven't heard back, but I'm not very optimistic with this girl either. BITCH WTF is wrong with girls in Mumbai? Or on Hinge? Is it just me or anyone else has faced the same at some point? Guys am I cooked for not starting earlier like 18-19 or so? All girls (esp these 23-25 yo) seem to have gone past their hoe phase and now seem to be either clueless or want a decent guy they can toy around with emotions. And before anyone comes at me saying why don't you screen girls asking "what are you looking for?". I do it. EVERY. SINGLE. TIME. And guess what kind of responses I get... "Nothing to serious yaa" "Not random but also not serious" Now what do you make of it? Obviously it means she is open to the idea of hooking up or short term relationship given there's good vibe and chemistry. And believe me guys I'm following the exact steps and framework of PWF when it comes to in person meet-ups and escalation, vibing flirting. So just wanna know if there's something I should be doing more of, or something less of or just go on more dates because yes 2 dates is not enough. (BTW 2 dates in past 2 weeks not in my lifetime) My other matches seem to be very dry like would reply back after 2-3 business days. Some flaked the last moment, some ghosted after very good texting / sexualizing and some have logistics problem. Uggghhh. Now I get why people wanna fly and live the dream american life lol.

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So matched with this girl. She’s in my town (1mile away) for the next few days then going back to uni so limited time. I moved to text thought I did everything well, with her moving towards meeting, good banter etc, slowly sexualised but I feel I missed out a good text or did something a bit wrong somewhere because the way I setup the date it fell off pretty quick I suggested we meet at the gym & she wasn’t sure and then I think I kinda fucked up by reducing all the ambiguity or something and going all logical when she pulled back. What should I do now she’s given me “I’ll have a think about it” and I said “sure why not” sort of vibe? She might reply tomorrow but what is the direction I should take going forward to get her to meet before she goes back?

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How’s my texting? How would you reply here

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Have a picture of me cooking and I often get a message for them to cook for me. But she was a fussy eater and it came awkward quick, then she said something about being autistic, not sure how to handle that, so I just said “do you like wine” and she said “no, love Malibu”

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So long story short I had a plan to meet up with the girl that I met during day game she's a real stage and makes a lot of money and all this stuff and I told her let's grab drinks we'll  grab a margarita she agreed to it that was probably about a week ago maybe 6 7 days ago and now right before we're about to go meet up she's like I'm not in the mood to go  drinking and I told her how about you have a Shirley Temple which is just like a soda type of drink and then she's like asking oh do they serve food this and that and I kind of told her like yeah they serve food but I'm not switching up plans  now when you could have told me a long time ago about that this is literally like an hour before we're supposed to meet up just trying to switch phones and I stuck to my guns and told her like look this is what I want to do I think they have food  there but we're going to go get drinks so don't be acting brand new LOL and that was kind of like the gist of my text so did I do good job what should I do better in the situation when girls trying to switch out cuz this happened already like a couple times in the past week already with two different girls

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So I've said in the group before that I approach while I'm on my security job but I'm in the parking lot of plazas and like malls and stuff like that so I approach with my vehicle my  security vehicle and I'll be like hey what's up I wanted to meet you I thought you were good my name is Isaac but when I say this I noticed they'll like smile or they'll be like oh no I'm good  What can I do better here maybe my opener is a little too strong like for a security guard maybe it makes me sound a professional or maybe it sounds like hookerish cuz girls have told me  The past that when I try to pull up and try to talk to them some girl said it made her feel like a hooker lol what should I opener be in this situation

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Matched with this cute 18 y/o and went direct. She bit but not sure if she is interested enough to pull through. Anyways let me know what ya’ll think. Glad to be back here again 👌

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18yo virgin. I’ve been on four first dates with girls I meant on dating apps, starting in September. For the first two, I was ghosted afterwards. On the third one, I briefly engaged over text with the girl, but she rejected my proposal of a second date because she didn’t feel strong chemistry. The fourth girl texted me first afterwards, but she recently stopped responding, so I’ve stopped texting her.  Following Alex’s advice, a big factor is likely that my interactions are too platonic/there’s not enough sexual tension being built. Last girl, I was at her place, literally on her bed, with my arm around her while we were watching a movie, and I couldn’t make sex happen. I asked her if she wanted to kiss me, and she said no.  I find escalating and building sexual tension difficult. I always try to say some flirty things here and there and make use of eye contact, but I have a hard time going beyond that. I’m not even just talking about making out or sex, I don’t know how to turn the make the conversation overtly sexual/romantic. I also wonder if something is wrong with my body language. 

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I'm like extremely lucky to have the looks, when tinder used to work i had hundred of matches, compliments, and at least 10 first date lays. I moved to Milan last may thinking tinder will work better in a big city but it's just dead now. I'm in Milan so in one of the best cities in the world to approach but approach anxiety is absolutely gonna ruin my life. If this keeps going until i lose my looks i will be fucked. I have girls staring all the time, yesterday for example i was at McDonald's, like every Friday evening there was plenty of young attractive girls that want to grab something after school. There was this group of girls staring at me, they see an attractive guy that looks like a fuck boy, with earrings, tattoo, hat, but i acted like a pussy on the inside and did not approach. They kept staring until i finished my coffee and now I'm so hurt and frustrated because i will lose my looks and get old without fun experiences to remember. What i should've have done in this situation? They were 3 girls, no free table next to them. Approach and ask one of them for ig? I feel it takes an extremely high level of courage, but at the same time i proved to myself i can do it. I approached in the past. My ig also sucks and i still don't have the money for unreal pics, so my brain uses that as an excuse. Young girls like to give ig, not the number. Same thing happens when I'm in the city center next to the cathedral, if a girl stare at me i get self conscious and can't look back at her, which is absurd because they are the best ones to approach. I also star feeling weird when I'm at the mall or walking in the city center looking for tourists or local girls, it's like i start to feel like a predator as if everybody knows what I'm looking for. I also start to think that the girl i approach will know I've been looking for girls all day. If it wasn't for all this i could approach 100 girls a day and get every week in Milan, I'm absolutely wasting and throwing away my life and it hurts. The fact that i have the looks hurts even more

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