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A lot of people don’t realize this, but when you join our program, you also get access to a private Mastermind I run alongside the course. It’s an ongoing, members-only environment where you’re not guessing or going it alone. Inside the mastermind, you get: Direct help from me every single day (texts, profiles, dates, real situations) Weekly live Group Zoom calls with me A high-level community where experienced guys actively help newer members (people end up networking, becoming wingmen, and even real friends) Most guys come in for the information. They stay because they finally have feedback, accountability, and momentum. (The mastermind is available to PWF course members, and your first month is free) Important update: On February 12th, the mastermind price is going up from $49/month → $69/month for new members. If you join before then, you’re grandfathered in at $49/month for life (as long as you stay a member). The reason for the increase is simple: the mastermind has grown quickly, and because I’m personally involved every day, I need to cap bandwidth and keep the quality high. If you’ve been planning to join “eventually,” this is one of those moments where waiting actually costs you. 👉 Details / enrollment link below www.playingfire.com/sale

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Most guys lose girls over text, not because they’re boring, but because they don’t know what to say next. That’s why I built FireTexts. It’s like having me in your pocket when you’re texting. For the next 48 hours, FireTexts is 25% off on all subscription tiers. Once you lock it in, that price is grandfathered for as long as you stay. Want to test it first? No problem - every plan includes a free 3-day trial. Install for free: Apple Android

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Since joining PWF a couple of weeks ago, I understand (online) game a lot better. A lot of valuable content on here! But I notice a small gap in practical application. The lay reports show a lot of good info, but it seems most of the time there is already pretty good response/investment from the start. In combination with the skills of the PWF men, it can feel like a big gap. Where we start as rookies and where they are already. I think it would be very beneficial if the guys on here would share some stories about how they turned around their game. Some before and after text game screenshots, the mental aspect of it etc. Now we just need YOU to break the ice and post YOUR succes story in this thread!

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Exchanged numbers with a girl after making tentative plans for a meet up. However, I’m not sure what’s the best response since she just liked my message. Since it’s only been a day, should I wait longer to see whether or not she replies? If not, what would be an ideal follow-up text?

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\- matched with 21 year old model influencer type (13k followers) \- made plans on the dating app, but she didnt receive my messages so we moved (hence the ”before the universe sabotages us again” line) \- made firmer plans for Monday, but she left my last message on seen yesterday (friday) when i proposed the venue which was in my area \- we didn’t explicitly tell each other where we lived but her dating profile says she lives at the other end of town, so my guess is that this caused her nonresponsiveness. Maybe aside from regular cold feet. Or idk if for her plans are final and no need to reply back Gonna follow up tom (sunday) evening. Should i do a takeaway (e.g. “do you not like the place”, “cold feet huh”, “if that’s cool, or skeleton meme), or just a simple confirmatory “still on for tomorrow ?”

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Saw a girl sitting by herself at Starbucks, decided to strike up a conversation which led to her giving me her number. How do I move this interaction forward (without getting into the details of the cold approach if it doesn’t help)? Is more investment needed from her before going for the soft close/meet up? If so, what‘s a good text to move this text exchange forward while getting her more invested?

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Made a cold approach after noticing a girl walking by. Was receptive throughout the interaction because she showed interest in my ethnicity and what I do. However, our text exchange stalled out due to unresponsiveness to small talk. Would you say it’s better to wait for longer before double texting or is sending a follow up text optimal since it’s been a couple days? If so, what would be a good follow up text?

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I was hooking up at my place with a really quite DTF girl from Hinge. I fingered her then went down on her, both until she came. Then she took my pants off and gave me a handjob over my briefs. Then I pinned her and playfully choked her. At that point, she unexpectedly excused herself to the bathroom. After that, she said this isn't gonna work out and gave me some bullshit excuse like "it's not my style", then "you don't seem to know what you're doing", then left. When I asked her what make her say that, she pulled another excuse "the kissing wasn't good, too much tongue". She is big into kissing but she also used her tongue a lot, so I don't buy that.  Do you think she was real about the kissing too much tongue? Or was it the choking? I also have to say I didn't get hard, even during her handjob. Could that be the reason why? Is it possible that she thought I'm only choking her in an attempt to get hard?

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https://go.tinder.com/eKy3qmnRgD0-Valik (I was trying first the smoking picture, it got 0 likes so I swapped it with okarin from steins gate picture, still 0), locale is tokyo

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Matched with this cute 18 y/o and went direct. She bit but not sure if she is interested enough to pull through. Anyways let me know what ya’ll think. Glad to be back here again 👌

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All on Tinder didn’t number pull which was a rare one 

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A lil tribute because these 3 words changed my life thank you Obama 

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18yo virgin. I’ve been on four first dates with girls I meant on dating apps, starting in September. For the first two, I was ghosted afterwards. On the third one, I briefly engaged over text with the girl, but she rejected my proposal of a second date because she didn’t feel strong chemistry. The fourth girl texted me first afterwards, but she recently stopped responding, so I’ve stopped texting her.  Following Alex’s advice, a big factor is likely that my interactions are too platonic/there’s not enough sexual tension being built. Last girl, I was at her place, literally on her bed, with my arm around her while we were watching a movie, and I couldn’t make sex happen. I asked her if she wanted to kiss me, and she said no.  I find escalating and building sexual tension difficult. I always try to say some flirty things here and there and make use of eye contact, but I have a hard time going beyond that. I’m not even just talking about making out or sex, I don’t know how to turn the make the conversation overtly sexual/romantic. I also wonder if something is wrong with my body language. 

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