I like this girls page, later she like 2 pics back and about 10 mins apart from each other. So I took it as slight interest and slid in her DM:
Translation:
Me: Hey Trouble
Her: Haha so trouble huh🥲
Me: The eyes never lie (probably should’ve said: at least a bit I hope)
Her: If you say so
Me: At least something about you got my attention
Her: Ok should I be happy with this, because it sounds like an insult
Me: Everything but an insult, it’s a compliment
Her: Ahh no problem
Her: Thanks for the compliment haha
Me: Haha do I look that mean, you think of me that way
Her: Haha no you look kinda friendly
Her: But hey, that’s how you look on your picture huh
Me: Haha ok finish your sentence, I’m listening..
Her: Haha I think it’s better to give you the word since you slid in my dm
I personally think it’s not too late to turn the conversation around, but also think it’s going to be important what to say next. Any idea’s would be more than welcome guys!
Read up on some of the lover vs provider theories. Although I personally think it isn’t as black & white like that, there’s definitely value in that information.
I noticed lately girls are having a good time with me on dates, there’s a lot of attraction but I feel like I fall in the provider/relationship category too much.
Not necessarily by trying too hard, but my nature of being an open book. Sharing my thoughts about different subjects pretty explicitly. At the end of the date the girls seem to really like me and it works like a disadvantage. They don’t want to go “too fast” with me even though there is definitely sexual tension.
Would this be a case of sexualizing/escalating more quickly or simply shut up and don’t share too much about myself?
I think ego is keeping a lot of guys from getting the results they could have. I was one of them and probably still am more often than I might think.
At the moment I find myself balancing on the line of ego or simply preference. I’ve had my share of women I see as 7-10 and I live a pretty busy life running my business at the moment. So I notice I don’t feel like dealing with certain attitudes or “winning them over”. Not just because I don’t have the patience, but I enjoy sex waaaay better with someone who has the same vibe as I do.
Combine that with having some 6’s and 7’s over who I’m just not sexually attracted to enough to feel the need to escalate. In my mind I’m like “Fuck this shit, I can use my time and energy way better” and I’ll just smoothly get them out the door.
At the same time this completely sabotages my progress in game. On one hand I feel like I’m acting spoiled, on the other hand I don’t want to push things when I don’t enjoy it, because what’s the point of doing so right?
Are there guys that can relate or see another pattern I’m not seeing? All advice is welcome!
Had a pretty good interaction which led to some sexual tension and boom, all gone. Felt like I escalated pretty smoothly, but apparently not.
Translation:
(She showed me some pics and video’s turning her ass to the camera)
Me: Trying to make me think about all the things I would do to you huh, turning your ass like that
Her: Hahahahaa👀
Me: Spankable ass tho
Her: GIF
Me: Pic
Her: Ohh fuck
Me: Or does dat exceed your expectations?
Her: I figured you’re like that
Me: Is it a bad thing tho?
Her: No I love it
Me: My type of girl
Her: So you’re dominant?
Me: You’ll find out when my handprints are left on your ass and my hand is wrapped around your throat
Her: Fuckk😩
Me: Maybe you’ll find out about the rest later
Her: Oehh exciting
Me: End of the week suited you best right?
Her: Yes
Me: What about Saturday?
Her: That could work
Me: Bring the sunshine with you
Her: I am the sunshine
Me: Bring that confidence with you Saturday
Her: I most definitely will👀
Her: What are you up to
(Next day)
Me: I fell asleep
Her: Ohh nice
Me: If you already think that’s nice
Her: Yeah I like sleeping
Me: We’ll have to get you tired then this Saturday
Her: Hahah oh?
Me: Mhm
Her: ?
Me: You love to sleep, so if the vibe is right I’ll put you to work on Saturday
Me: Get you nice and tired when you leave so you’ll be sleeping like a baby
Her: What do you have in mind?
Me: It’s a bit X-rated think you can handle it?
Her: Luckily I’m almost 25
Her: But if you think we’re going to have sex on the 1st ‘date’ you got the wrong girl
Me: Ah you’re the type that has a policy about sex beforehand?
Her: Yep, that’s me
Me: That’s a shame. I don’t like to have sex with just anybody anymore, got quite picky. But to have a policy about sex before it even happening, I’m not a big fan of. Takes out the “natural” vibe.
Her: Well..
Me: Everybody’s different. Let’s just have a drink and prepare a homemade meal, no expectations
Her: Yes I think so
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Don’t really understand why the convo took a left turn like that
PWF has been really confronting the last couple of weeks. Figured a lot of you guys can relate..
I actually found out how bad my interactions are with females and my lack of skill to DHV. This brought a couple of questions to mind for Alex and the advanced guys on the forums.
If we talking the looks aspect of SMV I should score pretty decent. I get complimented pretty regularly by hot women I already know. Setting up the profile to show it, is definitely another story. But still, with sub-par pics I tend to believe I look somewhat better than some of these dating coaches.
Alex had a few featured videos with other dating coaches and not to sound butthurt or arrogant; I’m in better shape, have decent fashion and a pretty decent look overall.
That has to mean there is sooooo much value in displaying it properly and having solid game. (No shit Sherlock)
So what makes the advanced guys so much more succesful than us beginners. I’ve read every article, a lot of LR’s, all the YouTube videos and I’ve definitely got better. But looking at the last video Alex posted, taking over a members profile, I was like damn. What made him get wired to respond and calibrate that well.
The basics of flirting and banter, conversation etc. Sounds so logical and simple. But actually doing it, for me personally, is very difficult and I can’t figure out why..
I get that we need practice, practice, practice. But damn that John Anthony guy claiming to have over 1200 lays and a lot of guys out here way more attractive struggling to get a couple a month...
Just being honest, I read up a lot and I practice a lot, but I can’t seem to get the hang of it. I know this is so fucking general and generic, but I’m stuck and wanted to at least give this post a go.
Every piece of feedback is more than welcome. Maybe about your process or your personal sticking points etc. Would help a bunchhh
PWF definitely helped me in the right direction. I went from complete noob to beginner. Got about 15 leads (numbers) and about 3-4 hook ups the past month. Conversations are slowly getting better. But now I notice I’m a bit stuck again. Tend to destroy my latest convo’s a bit. The leads I already have are drying out and I’m struggling a lot with DHV’ing and keeping it interesting enough when it isn’t possible to meet up in the first couple of days.
I predominantly am attracted to black women as a white man. I don’t know if it’s my ego, but I feel like for a lot of the black females in my country being white kind puts me at a disadvantage. Like I have to “proof” myself.
I read and watched a lot of the stuff on PWF and the YouTube channel about flirting and increasing investment. Still having a hard time actually creating and/or displaying this. Do you guys have some tips on this aspect?
Also wanted to share this convo where it actually starts of right and I’m making the wrong moves. Not knowing what to say, I went in for the soft close waaaay too fast in my opinion. Now contemplating how to create more investment in the mean time to actually close later.
Translation:
Me: Hey trouble
Her: Don’t know if I want to respond to your message, because you look way too cute and way too sporty.
Her: But now I see I already responded..
Me: Just shot yourself in the foot then
Me: But don’t worry I don’t bite... Well not too hard that is.
Her: Haha well well
Her: That’s a bit exaggerated
Her: Good!
Me: How is the quarantine life treating you?
Her: Can’t complain
Her: What about you?
Me: Work, training, enjoying my balcony and the sun with a little drink here and there. Kinda enjoying this quarantine thing.
Her: Haha good!
Me: Do you like wine?
Her: Sure
Her: What about you?
Me: I’m more of a rum and whiskey type of man.
Me: If the sun stays out you should join me for a drink sometime.
I figured depending on her answer I need to build more investment and DHV myself more to actually close and minimize flaking.
What are some tips you guys have in general to make a convo like this smoother (next to not being as fast with the soft close of course)
So I noticed I’m pretty terrible at online game, but slowly improving because of the PWF community!
Instead of posting one where I completely fuck up, I wanted to check how I can better my “decent conversations”
It is a pretty long one, but I want to share as much context as possible. Translation below:
Badoo
Me: Hey Trouble
Her: Hi🙋🏽♀️
Me: How is the quarantine life treating you?
Her: Lot of fixing up and doing homework hahha and you?
Me: Everybody is fixing their home, except for me
Me: I’m working and training a lot. And enjoying the sun on my romantic balcony with a little wine.
Her: Working out is important too
Her: I miss it a lot tho
Me: You should come and watch me work out
Her: Hahahaha well where do I need to come to?
Me: Nijmegen, where do you live?
Her: Hahaha that’s far from me
Her: I live in Rotterdam
Me: It’s doable haha. Guess I have to do a special work-out then.
Me: I also got a back-up plan
Her: Hahahaha
Her: What kind of work-out?
Me: Have to get creative, but I like the back-up plan better
Her: And what is the back-up plan hahaha
Me: Depends.. Do you like wine?
Her: Of course I like wine
Me: Then the plan will be you and me on my romantic balcony sipping some wine, enjoying the sun, laughing together, whisper in each others ears, possible some neck kisses, dessert, most definitely dessert.
Her: Oeh that sounds pretty interesting
Me: Makes quarantine a whole lot better right?
Her: I think so too
Her: We really should it’s already boring enough
Her: By ourselves
Me: Exactly, let’s make it happen
Her: Today I don’t have time tho, busy fixing up stuff
Me: How are you Tuesday or Wednesday?
Her: Then I’ll continue fixing up, I have another assignment then.
Me: Hmm solution?
Her: Friday?
Me: Friday sounds good, text me we will keep in touch
Her: Sounds good, what name should I save you as?
Me: My own: Ike. Make sure to put a little 🔥 behind it ;)
Whatsapp
Her: Hi Faby here🙋🏽♀️
Me: Ah the lady who’s good with her hands
Her: Hello mister who’s good in the gym
Me: Not just the gym tho
Her: Hahahaha
Her: Where else?
Me: Is a little PG 18. Think you can handle it?
Her: 😬
Her: Then I already know
Me: Yeah I work a lot with elderly people, I’m really good at my job
Me: That’s also what you meant I assume?
Her: Hahahahaha that’s not even close to what I meant
Me: Oh you meant having 10-15 oral orgasms of course
Me: You have such a dirty mind
Her: Hahahaha yeah most people I’ve spoken too immediately start about those types of topics
Me: A woman’s destiny...
Her: Yeahh🙄
Next day (my schedule opened up)
Me: Fixing more stuff today?
Her: Not today fortunately
Me: My appointments got cancelled too. About to enjoy the sun
Her: Niceeeee are you going to sip on some wine?
Me: That might just happen
Me: You?
Her: Hahahaha
Her: I’m probably gonna sip some wine in the sun too
Me: Why not together?
Her: I am gonna do it together hihi just not with you🤷🏽♀️
Me: Okay🤷🏻♂️
Her: I’m at a friends house
Me: Sounds fun
Me: Going home drunk as hell
End of conversation.
I feel like it’s ok, but too boring and not creating a lot of investment. Been thinking how I can get more investment, but I’m just having brain farts..
Advice is very welcome!
Since joining PWF a couple of weeks ago, I understand (online) game a lot better. A lot of valuable content on here!
But I notice a small gap in practical application. The lay reports show a lot of good info, but it seems most of the time there is already pretty good response/investment from the start. In combination with the skills of the PWF men, it can feel like a big gap. Where we start as rookies and where they are already.
I think it would be very beneficial if the guys on here would share some stories about how they turned around their game. Some before and after text game screenshots, the mental aspect of it etc.
Now we just need YOU to break the ice and post YOUR succes story in this thread!
This conversation isn’t terrible, but definitely not good enough either.
What do you guys see I lack in and how can I get it more interesting for the girl?
Not gonna spam with every conversation, but needed a little more feedback so I can practice and get my reps in.
Thanks!
Translation:
Me: Hey trouble
She: Hahaha who me? Nah I’m nothing but trouble😜😂
Me: A little birdie whispered it in my ear, what gave him that idea?
She: Hmm he kept an eye on me for too long, that’s why
Me: My type of girl
She: Hahahahah
Me: What are you looking for on Badoo?
She: At the moment seeing what crosses my path and you?
Me: A dope chick I vibe with and take it from there
She: Aah okay okay
Me: What are you doing up past your bed time?
She: Hahah my bed time
Me: Yes
She: It’s not even nearly my bed time
Me: I thought you’d be a night owl
She: Hahahahha
Feel like I need to flip the frame, but a bit stuck on how to...
Joining PWF really showed me how terrible I actually am at this online dating thing..
My biggest problems are getting investment, showing value and move the conversation forward in a man to woman way.
Either it’s really lame and platonic or I lose their interest.
Here’s a little example of what happens pretty often.
Translation:
Me: the infamous “hey trouble”
Girl: “Hey, trouble why haha?”
Me: “I can see it in your eyes”
Girl: “Hahah”
Me: trying a spreadsheet opener “I don’t usually give compliments when I just meet people, but I can tell you have a great taste in men”
Girl: “😑😑😑”
Me: not knowing what to do “See, that’s the look in your eyes I was talking about😏”
I actually know the last response was weak as fuck, but simply didn’t have an idea how to move forward.
How could I moved this convo better in general?
Tend to either struggle to get some enthusiasm or when a girl actually shows some enthusiasm I always find a way to kill it.
Read the posts about flirting and banter and get the concept, but actually applying it fails every single time.
Let me know what you guys think!
