I like this girls page, later she like 2 pics back and about 10 mins apart from each other. So I took it as slight interest and slid in her DM: Translation: Me: Hey Trouble Her: Haha so trouble huhš„² Me: The eyes never lie (probably shouldāve said: at least a bit I hope) Her: If you say so Me: At least something about you got my attention Her: Ok should I be happy with this, because it sounds like an insult Me: Everything but an insult, itās a compliment Her: Ahh no problem Her: Thanks for the compliment haha Me: Haha do I look that mean, you think of me that way Her: Haha no you look kinda friendly Her: But hey, thatās how you look on your picture huh Me: Haha ok finish your sentence, Iām listening.. Her: Haha I think itās better to give you the word since you slid in my dm I personally think itās not too late to turn the conversation around, but also think itās going to be important what to say next. Any ideaās would be more than welcome guys!
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Read up on some of the lover vs provider theories. Although I personally think it isnāt as black & white like that, thereās definitely value in that information. I noticed lately girls are having a good time with me on dates, thereās a lot of attraction but I feel like I fall in the provider/relationship category too much. Not necessarily by trying too hard, but my nature of being an open book. Sharing my thoughts about different subjects pretty explicitly. At the end of the date the girls seem to really like me and it works like a disadvantage. They donāt want to go ātoo fastā with me even though there is definitely sexual tension. Would this be a case of sexualizing/escalating more quickly or simply shut up and donāt share too much about myself?
I think ego is keeping a lot of guys from getting the results they could have. I was one of them and probably still am more often than I might think. At the moment I find myself balancing on the line of ego or simply preference. Iāve had my share of women I see as 7-10 and I live a pretty busy life running my business at the moment. So I notice I donāt feel like dealing with certain attitudes or āwinning them overā. Not just because I donāt have the patience, but I enjoy sex waaaay better with someone who has the same vibe as I do. Combine that with having some 6ās and 7ās over who Iām just not sexually attracted to enough to feel the need to escalate. In my mind Iām like āFuck this shit, I can use my time and energy way betterā and Iāll just smoothly get them out the door. At the same time this completely sabotages my progress in game. On one hand I feel like Iām acting spoiled, on the other hand I donāt want to push things when I donāt enjoy it, because whatās the point of doing so right? Are there guys that can relate or see another pattern Iām not seeing? All advice is welcome!
Had a pretty good interaction which led to some sexual tension and boom, all gone. Felt like I escalated pretty smoothly, but apparently not. Translation: (She showed me some pics and videoās turning her ass to the camera) Me: Trying to make me think about all the things I would do to you huh, turning your ass like that Her: Hahahahaaš Me: Spankable ass tho Her: GIF Me: Pic Her: Ohh fuck Me: Or does dat exceed your expectations? Her: I figured youāre like that Me: Is it a bad thing tho? Her: No I love it Me: My type of girl Her: So youāre dominant? Me: Youāll find out when my handprints are left on your ass and my hand is wrapped around your throat Her: Fuckkš© Me: Maybe youāll find out about the rest later Her: Oehh exciting Me: End of the week suited you best right? Her: Yes Me: What about Saturday? Her: That could work Me: Bring the sunshine with you Her: I am the sunshine Me: Bring that confidence with you Saturday Her: I most definitely willš Her: What are you up to (Next day) Me: I fell asleep Her: Ohh nice Me: If you already think thatās nice Her: Yeah I like sleeping Me: Weāll have to get you tired then this Saturday Her: Hahah oh? Me: Mhm Her: ? Me: You love to sleep, so if the vibe is right Iāll put you to work on Saturday Me: Get you nice and tired when you leave so youāll be sleeping like a baby Her: What do you have in mind? Me: Itās a bit X-rated think you can handle it? Her: Luckily Iām almost 25 Her: But if you think weāre going to have sex on the 1st ādateā you got the wrong girl Me: Ah youāre the type that has a policy about sex beforehand? Her: Yep, thatās me Me: Thatās a shame. I donāt like to have sex with just anybody anymore, got quite picky. But to have a policy about sex before it even happening, Iām not a big fan of. Takes out the ānaturalā vibe. Her: Well.. Me: Everybodyās different. Letās just have a drink and prepare a homemade meal, no expectations Her: Yes I think so āāāāāā Donāt really understand why the convo took a left turn like that
PWF has been really confronting the last couple of weeks. Figured a lot of you guys can relate.. I actually found out how bad my interactions are with females and my lack of skill to DHV. This brought a couple of questions to mind for Alex and the advanced guys on the forums. If we talking the looks aspect of SMV I should score pretty decent. I get complimented pretty regularly by hot women I already know. Setting up the profile to show it, is definitely another story. But still, with sub-par pics I tend to believe I look somewhat better than some of these dating coaches. Alex had a few featured videos with other dating coaches and not to sound butthurt or arrogant; Iām in better shape, have decent fashion and a pretty decent look overall. That has to mean there is sooooo much value in displaying it properly and having solid game. (No shit Sherlock) So what makes the advanced guys so much more succesful than us beginners. Iāve read every article, a lot of LRās, all the YouTube videos and Iāve definitely got better. But looking at the last video Alex posted, taking over a members profile, I was like damn. What made him get wired to respond and calibrate that well. The basics of flirting and banter, conversation etc. Sounds so logical and simple. But actually doing it, for me personally, is very difficult and I canāt figure out why.. I get that we need practice, practice, practice. But damn that John Anthony guy claiming to have over 1200 lays and a lot of guys out here way more attractive struggling to get a couple a month... Just being honest, I read up a lot and I practice a lot, but I canāt seem to get the hang of it. I know this is so fucking general and generic, but Iām stuck and wanted to at least give this post a go. Every piece of feedback is more than welcome. Maybe about your process or your personal sticking points etc. Would help a bunchhh
PWF definitely helped me in the right direction. I went from complete noob to beginner. Got about 15 leads (numbers) and about 3-4 hook ups the past month. Conversations are slowly getting better. But now I notice Iām a bit stuck again. Tend to destroy my latest convoās a bit. The leads I already have are drying out and Iām struggling a lot with DHVāing and keeping it interesting enough when it isnāt possible to meet up in the first couple of days. I predominantly am attracted to black women as a white man. I donāt know if itās my ego, but I feel like for a lot of the black females in my country being white kind puts me at a disadvantage. Like I have to āproofā myself. I read and watched a lot of the stuff on PWF and the YouTube channel about flirting and increasing investment. Still having a hard time actually creating and/or displaying this. Do you guys have some tips on this aspect? Also wanted to share this convo where it actually starts of right and Iām making the wrong moves. Not knowing what to say, I went in for the soft close waaaay too fast in my opinion. Now contemplating how to create more investment in the mean time to actually close later. Translation: Me: Hey trouble Her: Donāt know if I want to respond to your message, because you look way too cute and way too sporty. Her: But now I see I already responded.. Me: Just shot yourself in the foot then Me: But donāt worry I donāt bite... Well not too hard that is. Her: Haha well well Her: Thatās a bit exaggerated Her: Good! Me: How is the quarantine life treating you? Her: Canāt complain Her: What about you? Me: Work, training, enjoying my balcony and the sun with a little drink here and there. Kinda enjoying this quarantine thing. Her: Haha good! Me: Do you like wine? Her: Sure Her: What about you? Me: Iām more of a rum and whiskey type of man. Me: If the sun stays out you should join me for a drink sometime. I figured depending on her answer I need to build more investment and DHV myself more to actually close and minimize flaking. What are some tips you guys have in general to make a convo like this smoother (next to not being as fast with the soft close of course)
So I noticed Iām pretty terrible at online game, but slowly improving because of the PWF community! Instead of posting one where I completely fuck up, I wanted to check how I can better my ādecent conversationsā It is a pretty long one, but I want to share as much context as possible. Translation below: Badoo Me: Hey Trouble Her: Hišš½āāļø Me: How is the quarantine life treating you? Her: Lot of fixing up and doing homework hahha and you? Me: Everybody is fixing their home, except for me Me: Iām working and training a lot. And enjoying the sun on my romantic balcony with a little wine. Her: Working out is important too Her: I miss it a lot tho Me: You should come and watch me work out Her: Hahahaha well where do I need to come to? Me: Nijmegen, where do you live? Her: Hahaha thatās far from me Her: I live in Rotterdam Me: Itās doable haha. Guess I have to do a special work-out then. Me: I also got a back-up plan Her: Hahahaha Her: What kind of work-out? Me: Have to get creative, but I like the back-up plan better Her: And what is the back-up plan hahaha Me: Depends.. Do you like wine? Her: Of course I like wine Me: Then the plan will be you and me on my romantic balcony sipping some wine, enjoying the sun, laughing together, whisper in each others ears, possible some neck kisses, dessert, most definitely dessert. Her: Oeh that sounds pretty interesting Me: Makes quarantine a whole lot better right? Her: I think so too Her: We really should itās already boring enough Her: By ourselves Me: Exactly, letās make it happen Her: Today I donāt have time tho, busy fixing up stuff Me: How are you Tuesday or Wednesday? Her: Then Iāll continue fixing up, I have another assignment then. Me: Hmm solution? Her: Friday? Me: Friday sounds good, text me we will keep in touch Her: Sounds good, what name should I save you as? Me: My own: Ike. Make sure to put a little š„ behind it ;) Whatsapp Her: Hi Faby herešš½āāļø Me: Ah the lady whoās good with her hands Her: Hello mister whoās good in the gym Me: Not just the gym tho Her: Hahahaha Her: Where else? Me: Is a little PG 18. Think you can handle it? Her: š¬ Her: Then I already know Me: Yeah I work a lot with elderly people, Iām really good at my job Me: Thatās also what you meant I assume? Her: Hahahahaha thatās not even close to what I meant Me: Oh you meant having 10-15 oral orgasms of course Me: You have such a dirty mind Her: Hahahaha yeah most people Iāve spoken too immediately start about those types of topics Me: A womanās destiny... Her: Yeahhš Next day (my schedule opened up) Me: Fixing more stuff today? Her: Not today fortunately Me: My appointments got cancelled too. About to enjoy the sun Her: Niceeeee are you going to sip on some wine? Me: That might just happen Me: You? Her: Hahahaha Her: Iām probably gonna sip some wine in the sun too Me: Why not together? Her: I am gonna do it together hihi just not with youš¤·š½āāļø Me: Okayš¤·š»āāļø Her: Iām at a friends house Me: Sounds fun Me: Going home drunk as hell End of conversation. I feel like itās ok, but too boring and not creating a lot of investment. Been thinking how I can get more investment, but Iām just having brain farts.. Advice is very welcome!
Since joining PWF a couple of weeks ago, I understand (online) game a lot better. A lot of valuable content on here! But I notice a small gap in practical application. The lay reports show a lot of good info, but it seems most of the time there is already pretty good response/investment from the start. In combination with the skills of the PWF men, it can feel like a big gap. Where we start as rookies and where they are already. I think it would be very beneficial if the guys on here would share some stories about how they turned around their game. Some before and after text game screenshots, the mental aspect of it etc. Now we just need YOU to break the ice and post YOUR succes story in this thread!
This conversation isnāt terrible, but definitely not good enough either. What do you guys see I lack in and how can I get it more interesting for the girl? Not gonna spam with every conversation, but needed a little more feedback so I can practice and get my reps in. Thanks! Translation: Me: Hey trouble She: Hahaha who me? Nah Iām nothing but troublešš Me: A little birdie whispered it in my ear, what gave him that idea? She: Hmm he kept an eye on me for too long, thatās why Me: My type of girl She: Hahahahah Me: What are you looking for on Badoo? She: At the moment seeing what crosses my path and you? Me: A dope chick I vibe with and take it from there She: Aah okay okay Me: What are you doing up past your bed time? She: Hahah my bed time Me: Yes She: Itās not even nearly my bed time Me: I thought youād be a night owl She: Hahahahha Feel like I need to flip the frame, but a bit stuck on how to...
Joining PWF really showed me how terrible I actually am at this online dating thing.. My biggest problems are getting investment, showing value and move the conversation forward in a man to woman way. Either itās really lame and platonic or I lose their interest. Hereās a little example of what happens pretty often. Translation: Me: the infamous āhey troubleā Girl: āHey, trouble why haha?ā Me: āI can see it in your eyesā Girl: āHahahā Me: trying a spreadsheet opener āI donāt usually give compliments when I just meet people, but I can tell you have a great taste in menā Girl: āšššā Me: not knowing what to do āSee, thatās the look in your eyes I was talking aboutšā I actually know the last response was weak as fuck, but simply didnāt have an idea how to move forward. How could I moved this convo better in general? Tend to either struggle to get some enthusiasm or when a girl actually shows some enthusiasm I always find a way to kill it. Read the posts about flirting and banter and get the concept, but actually applying it fails every single time. Let me know what you guys think!
