Success stories

Lay Report
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11 Posts (+46), 25 Cmts (+1)

Since joining PWF a couple of weeks ago, I understand (online) game a lot better. A lot of valuable content on here!

But I notice a small gap in practical application. The lay reports show a lot of good info, but it seems most of the time there is already pretty good response/investment from the start. In combination with the skills of the PWF men, it can feel like a big gap. Where we start as rookies and where they are already.

I think it would be very beneficial if the guys on here would share some stories about how they turned around their game. Some before and after text game screenshots, the mental aspect of it etc.

Now we just need YOU to break the ice and post YOUR succes story in this thread!

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11 Posts (+6), 11 Cmts (+24)

I have been in the community from the start. I was always very needy sweet, trying to win girls over. At first, when PWF Members would suggest me to go sexual, I would hesitate A LOT. But I read all their Lay Reports and thought maybe they know their stuff and started sending everything they gave me.

Soon, I had girls coming over constantly and I couldn't close because I didn't know how to. I would post Field Reports explaining everything. seeing a constant pattern Alex jumped on a live call with me and explained that I should be congruent and gave me pointers on how to lead and maintain eye contact, build tension.

Since then, it was always a done deal, the community helped me get my SMV higher, the texts were always sexual directed towards hookup and I would have girls come over for hookup and since i would have insane value in her eyes and sexual frame, I just went with the pointers and started closing.

A had a few mind blowing experiences, main being you can always sexualize a conversation. If you do it properly, without rushing or being incongruent, the girl will always love it and be her sexual genuine self.
I also realized the only window these girls have in your life is the window you show them. So you have the power to frame your life as you want to. If you're working as a bartender, don't say you're a bartender, say you're insanely passionate about xyz and you love it, you're pursuing that, but to pay the bills you took up bartending to party hard, spend time with my homies and have fun while I am pursuing my passion of xyz. This reframe will change her perception instead of using "I am a bartender".

I also learned how to be more congruent, witty and keep the conversation more engaging and fun. A lot of girls tell me, they had the most fun talking with me because I stood out with my direct, forward approach and the funny sexual banter.

The community is extremely helpful, over 100s of love reports, mostly covering all aspects of situations, objection handling and maintaining your frame.

I will have to dig to find the old screenshots since I have changed couple of phones since 2018, but what really helped was having the community always helping you out.
Eventually your mind starts picking things up and you understand the psychology behind messages and why it works and why the girls get horny and come over to fuck.

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avilench . Avatar

394 Posts (+1.3K), 15K Cmts (+5.3K)

Thank you for sharing man. It means a lot. Love to hear about the improvements :)

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D

2 Posts (+0), 7 Cmts (+1)

I relate to this post a lot, I am currently getting started on this journey but I’ve always been the “nice, sweet” guy who always gets friendzoned.

I’ve only ever been on committed relationships for my entire dating life now I’m 27 and I just want to have some fun and stay single.

What’s your best advice for someone like me who is in the same shoes as you were 4 years ago? I have a feeling I’m going to struggle a lot in person as well when I start getting my first dates

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I

11 Posts (+46), 25 Cmts (+1)

Awesome shit man!

Sounds like something the PWF crew can be very proud of. Thanks for the input

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M

34 Posts (+1), 203 Cmts (+77)

this is an awesome read

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0 Posts (+0), 8 Cmts (-3)

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Matt G Avatar

7 Posts (+3), 22 Cmts (+19)

Renovating my Tinder and Bumble profiles helped quite a bit. I saw immediate improvements in my matches. Instead of just matching, girls were intrigued in talking and I had good success with hooking up. None of them were keepers, so I kept up with with spending an hour or so every evening treating dating apps like my job. Prospecting, communicating with matches, setting up dates, closing deals, etc... it kind of got monotonous, like with work. I treated it as a job and a I got better the more matches I got. It was like shooting fish in a barrel.
Yet, I wasn't finding anyone that was the kind of girl that I'd be proud of introducing to my parents. Not because of looks, mostly because I knew that there wasn't a real connection and that I knew I'd get tired of them. I also had a profile on Hinge. I didn't update my profile on there like my Bumble and Tinder profile (with a list of risque pro/cons). However, my openers when "liked" were crisp and clean. This lead to a few more serious dates, girls that I could see myself dating longer term. Right before the state put a stay at home order, I met this girl who is very quirky, has a passion for fitness, is well educated, has a good profession, very inexperienced sexually (not that many partners), and seemed to come from a very stable family. I didn't want to rush things with her, so we chatted over FaceTime a few nights after work, asked her out (we met at the grocery store because that was the only place open), hit it off very well. We continued to FaceTime in the evenings, and I asked her to come over so I could make her dinner and share a bottle of wine. When she came over, I had dinner halfway done, we uncorked the bottle of wine and she practically jumped on top of me in the kitchen. I held up some self-control and we had a long evening of wine, good food, and great conversation. She asked me over to her place a couple of nights after, and we've been spending the night at each other's place a couple of times a week for the past month. Neither of us are seeing anyone else and we're already talking about meeting each other's parents.
Now, I know this isn't the LR that this community typically gets an update on (actually, I've never read a relationship starting on here ever before), but I'm getting up there in years and would like to start a family someday. I've always been really picky because I've never wanted to have kids with someone that I couldn't see myself with forever. I would like my kids to have a better childhood than I did. Anyway, who knows where this will end up. If it doesn't work out, I'll "go back to work". I have a good feeling about this one, I haven't had it in several years.

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J

0 Posts (+0), 1 Cmt (+0)

Congrats Matt. I'm in the same boat here, wanting to start a family within the next 2-5 years (I'm 39). I've also had a good number of hookups on Tinder and think may pay more attention to optimize my Hinge to find a good connection. Question on "serious dates", do you still try to get home to go home at the end of night to close or wait for day 2?

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Aaron Johnson Avatar

10 Posts (+141), 139 Cmts (+107)

I've been pretty quiet in the community lately due to cutting off social media (and I'm much happier/healthier from this), but this was one I had to respond to.

I spent years of my life using materials from some other mainstream PUA companies. I live in a mid-tier city, where online game is the best option for consistent girls and leads. My first few years messing around on Tinder / online dating, I got maybe 5-7 lays. I'm truly ashamed now to say, in the months leading up to me buying this product, I went on 20 some public dates, and during that time I "kiss closed" 10 girls in a row but didn't bang a single one of them. I was frustrated yet had no idea what I was doing wrong.

Then, I met a local guy who turned me onto PWF. I read the product inside and out at least 3 or 4 times. And, I used the Mastermind not just as a place to get fed lines, but to observe the feedback others were getting and apply it to myself.

Over the ~12 months after buying the PWF product and becoming active in the Mastermind, I closed on average two new girls a month. Virtually every single one was a straight-to-house fuck date. I'm 31, the average girl was probably 22 or 23 years old and cute.

Through the Mastermind and some 1:1 coaching from Indian PE himself, I started getting fairly consistent results. I even wrote a bonus chapter in the Online Dating Blueprint product.

Overall, what I've come to love about PWF is that it's no BS, no fluff, and a relatively straightforward model to follow. I'm very selective about who in the community I'm willing to invest my time and money in following, and Alex is one of the very few who's real and truly legit.

Note that I'm just an average guy. I don't take care of my body nearly as well as I should, and I'm just shy of 5'6". I'm no Chad or anything even remotely close.

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I

11 Posts (+46), 25 Cmts (+1)

That’s awesome man. Think a lot of us have experience checking PUA stuff, but never were able to actually profit from it.

Looking forward to work for the same improvements as you did man!

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M

34 Posts (+1), 203 Cmts (+77)

lol its so funny how many of us have pua backgrounds. I think it has its place, but much of it doesnt translate well to OLD

eg being cocky is tough to pull off online. disqualification is also tough. eg the classic 'we wont get along' will just have most girls being like 'ok weirdo, bye'. it has its place if you can be SUBTLE

funny enough, I think you get better carry over from transferring your text vibe (think Alex's cool, low energy, fun/ flirty vibe) to your real world game. as opposed to vice versa

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A

2 Posts (-1), 6 Cmts (+1)

Thanks so much for sharing, man

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4 Posts (+2), 21 Cmts (+0)

""Note that I'm just an average guy. I don't take care of my body nearly as well as I should, and I'm just shy of 5'6". I'm no Chad or anything even remotely close.""
Then how do you do it? you say you get about 2 girls a month? I just posted my dating apps pics in this forum, what can I do to improve my photos? I struggle a lot to get matches

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Aaron Johnson Avatar

10 Posts (+141), 139 Cmts (+107)

Ion Correa dude, your pics are absolutely TERRIBLE. As Alex says, if you're a 6, your pics should make you look slightly better than you really are - like a 6.5 or 7. Your pics make you look less attractive than you actually are, by at least 1-1.5 points if not more.

I invested a lot of money to hire a professional photographer, and I put constant time into taking and cultivating new photos everywhere I went. I also got a cooler haircut and grew facial hair while upping my fashion to be more edgy. These are all things you need to work on: your picture quality, fashion, style, grooming are all hurting you.

I'll also be clear that, at least in the US, I am not banging super hotties off of Tinder. On average, they are girls that most guys would consider decently cute, but rarely would guys call them "hot."

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108 Posts (+4), 315 Cmts (+4)

I'm very new to the community but I can say it's already been helping me a lot to be immersed in the mastermind and getting direct help so frequently. I'd feel a lot more lost without it and my brain is learning faster through more data to pattern match on (while practicing making up my own texts).

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avilench . Avatar

394 Posts (+1.3K), 15K Cmts (+5.3K)

Glad to hear man :)

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I

11 Posts (+46), 25 Cmts (+1)

Sounds exactly like the position I’m in. Recognizing those patterns is gonna be a gamechanger

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B

24 Posts (+10), 48 Cmts (+8)

What are some of those patterns that you found earlier on? I am just starting to and I have only picked up 3 girls numbers in the past week. No close yet but some banter and rapport is being developed to some extent.

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42 Posts (+38), 153 Cmts (+28)

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11 Posts (+46), 25 Cmts (+1)

Will do man!

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avilench . Avatar

394 Posts (+1.3K), 15K Cmts (+5.3K)

Great post man. I’m looking forward to hearing the stories as well

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M

4 Posts (+1), 18 Cmts (+11)

I would like to finally submit my testimonial.

I've always been almost handicapped with online dating in general, I've maybe been able to go out with 3 people over my 5 years of trying, and they were all more or less terrible experiences. I wasn't attracting quality women and on top of that when I did my socially uncalibrated and needy texting was putting them off if I did somehow manage to match with ''a good one''. I'm not bad looking IRL, but my dating pool was incredibly small and I was only limiting myself severely.

People rely increasingly on online dating. And during the pandemic, I had no opportunity to meet women IRL. I felt like I lost control of my life and was debating just getting back with my very mentally ill ex girlfriend and marrying her cause I felt like ''I'd never get a better one''.

I was signed up for Bumble, POF, and Match and getting NO high quality matches. I also ranted about some fast food chicken sandwich to a girl after which she stopped replying (seriously) and realized something had to change and I needed help.

I started watching Alex's videos and everything started to make sense, I spent a few weeks going over all of his content. You don't have to agree with everything he says or follow some magic formula, I found Alex took a theoretical approach to things and technical as well, which really helped me adapt his work to my own goals and objectives. I quickly realized my profiles were hot garbage and my texting as well. Slowly I started taking new pictures with help of my friends and building enough photos to make a good profile.

The quality and numbers of my matches shot up instantly. I started with hinge and got about maybe 4 likes a week, but many of these were interesting, attractive girls. I started feeling like I've regained control of my life. I realized that my texting was still awful though and I was showing needyness on my texts.

I signed up for the product and read through it all. I joined the facebook group and the group chat and would post of my texts. texts that I thought were perfectly fine were deconstructed by members as being failures (showing needyness, too much availabilty, poor closing) it was a brutal but necessary experience. One gripe I have is I wish the group (particulalry the chat) had more of a moderator presence. It makes us look bad if weirdos get to say anything they want.

Anyway, eventually I got things to a better point, where I could match and meet up with women once at least once a month. Attractive women. Note that I'm not super keen on just hooking up, but I could have hooked up a lot if I wanted to, and a lot especialyl if I lowered my standards. I dated a girl for a month or two, she gave amazing blowjobs and I would tie her up and force orgasms out of her. Just being immersed in the group helped me accept that being a red blooded sexual male was OK and nothing to be ashamed about, which a lot of men have problems with these days.

Fast forward to today, I've made even more improvements to my profile. I've gotten over 150 likes in my first month of opening my Tinder profile after meticulously making tweeks from everything I've learned over the past 4 months. I've totally regained control of my dating life and my happiness in general. I've been performing better at work because of my new optimism and got a promotion (sounds bullshit, but its real). I'm texting 4 beautiful women now. My game still needs work, but I have a foundation to work off of. Yesterday I went for a walk with a girl who was incredibly beautiful and we're hanging out again. Recently very severe lockdown measures have really killed my opportunities, but I have no doubt things will keep improving and once lockdown is over, things should be great. I find myself looking forward to the years ahead, especially as I'm doing long term things to increase my SMV even further.

Anyway alex, thank you. You honestly helped me regain control of my life.

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0 Posts (+0), 2 Cmts (+1)

Welcome to the group. Glad you made the decision to join. I was in your shoes 3 months ago. Had never really done any dating apps and now thanks to the product and help of Alex and Nitin been having a lot of succes. Looking forward to reading about your success.

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J

4 Posts (+5), 16 Cmts (+1)

Cool post. Can’t wait to see your stories

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B

1 Post (+2), 47 Cmts (+1)

Before PWF my text game was similar to most PUA guys. Atrocious.

3 months later my date conversion rate went through the roof and I still have so much to learn!

Applying this stuff made me actually understand what I am doing at an overview level and helped me have way more effective text convos that actually lead to dates.

It even helps me talking with clients in a business setting as I communicate in a more assertive, clear and clever manner, using words the other person uses to my advantage, open loops, and soft closes.

Super happy I joined, I am very grateful!

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M

95 Posts (-5), 141 Cmts (+10)

After following guys like Locario and people like him I didnt even text because those guys were saying you are giving women too much attention. OMG how wrong could that be...should have realized that because earlier this year I banged a girl purely from sexual texts and sending dick pick etc. She came over and we just made out then had great night.

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