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A lot of people don’t realize this, but when you join our program, you also get access to a private Mastermind I run alongside the course. It’s an ongoing, members-only environment where you’re not guessing or going it alone. Inside the mastermind, you get: Direct help from me every single day (texts, profiles, dates, real situations) Weekly live Group Zoom calls with me A high-level community where experienced guys actively help newer members (people end up networking, becoming wingmen, and even real friends) Most guys come in for the information. They stay because they finally have feedback, accountability, and momentum. (The mastermind is available to PWF course members, and your first month is free) Important update: On February 12th, the mastermind price is going up from $49/month → $69/month for new members. If you join before then, you’re grandfathered in at $49/month for life (as long as you stay a member). The reason for the increase is simple: the mastermind has grown quickly, and because I’m personally involved every day, I need to cap bandwidth and keep the quality high. If you’ve been planning to join “eventually,” this is one of those moments where waiting actually costs you. 👉 Details / enrollment link below www.playingfire.com/sale

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Most guys lose girls over text, not because they’re boring, but because they don’t know what to say next. That’s why I built FireTexts. It’s like having me in your pocket when you’re texting. For the next 48 hours, FireTexts is 25% off on all subscription tiers. Once you lock it in, that price is grandfathered for as long as you stay. Want to test it first? No problem - every plan includes a free 3-day trial. Install for free: Apple Android

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Since joining PWF a couple of weeks ago, I understand (online) game a lot better. A lot of valuable content on here! But I notice a small gap in practical application. The lay reports show a lot of good info, but it seems most of the time there is already pretty good response/investment from the start. In combination with the skills of the PWF men, it can feel like a big gap. Where we start as rookies and where they are already. I think it would be very beneficial if the guys on here would share some stories about how they turned around their game. Some before and after text game screenshots, the mental aspect of it etc. Now we just need YOU to break the ice and post YOUR succes story in this thread!

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Matched girl on hinge. Made plans and got her number. But was in Miami all weekend and the day I texted her was the day we were supposed to meet and I had a long day so tried to make new plans and she don’t respond. Do I restart convo w like a hey, or a random pic of my dog or do I use a pull like ”ah thinking hard I see”

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How are y’all treating these arranged matches?  Feels like a waste to consider a strong opener when the match was setup by Facebook, and not the two people swiping  But i’ve been shooting low effort “Hey how are you“ with no luck so stuck between numbers game or unreal effort for low tier chicks  These matches happen daily so feels like a stable lead flow but could just be noise since girls are not actually interested in you 

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Matched with this cute 18 y/o and went direct. She bit but not sure if she is interested enough to pull through. Anyways let me know what ya’ll think. Glad to be back here again 👌

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Hi everyone, I wanted to get some advice on if other guys in their 20s are experiencing this too. But I noticed alot of girls I've been going out with recently have been display some sense of attitude and ego issues. I met a few girls since the holidays last year, and I had good experiences with two of them who were attracted to me and made out with me on the first date. But then I had this one girl Meg, who acted cold and didnt feel a connection and then said my home state sucks. Then this other girl Stuti ended up insulting me on a second date saying I'm whitewashed and I have a low IQ. This girl Romi that I went on three dates with that I've been seeing the longest is respectful for the most part in person but she always uses these jokes to deflect against wanting physical intimacy. For example, she said on the last date at a restaraunt that once she get her furniture all settled in she would invite me over for a bottle of wine. Then when I tried to follow up on those plans she is trying to make me be the desparate one and shes gaslighting and flipping the script. See screenshots. She did say she's slow to warm up on the first date but maybe she'd think she would get emotionally attached after intimacy or something. Let me know what you think.

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How do y'all stay motivated with local chicks?  Been ghost past two years while drifting deeply into PPB (Had my third throuple, but V structured)  Still updating profiles, improving pics to create a story, and looksmaxxing like my life depends on it.. but every girl here in the states feels like a distraction holding me back from the grand prizes abroad.  All my same night lays come from spending the cost of a flight, and the few that are cheaper are girls I hope I'm not seen in public with (when you only wife baddies its hard to be seen at a Chipotle sitting across a 6). "Don't go for 6's bro" \= please refer to cost a flight sentence prior or explain to me how you knock down baddies for the price of a coffee.  Only thing I could think holding me back is my Short Term only on all profiles, unless you guys telling me you're also sticking it with the short term label. My match rate is so low on Tinder & Bumble it feels like my relationship status is only thing giving friction. I don't use Hinge, it feels super female oriented & time consuming but have all the other apps (Feeld, Chispa, Blush, etc.) Have experimented a bunch of bios and prompts. Added a bunch of shirtless photos, took off all of them, tried with just one.  Not sure if guys having success are writing long term on their profile to get more matches and then running the game on them regardless. A login from a recent OG who was wife'd has me thinking that may be a strategy to consider since my likes are crazy low with a highest membership account.  Feel like there is a trend for cold approach but hate the idea of not locking in on one thing & becoming the best at it, for me it would preferably be apps all day. Besides the fact that most of these Cold Approach pushers are just selling their course like everyone else so its in their best interest you always suck at either aspect in dating. \[And their always either 6'4" or ugly as hell with no chance on the apps world] At the end of the day it feels like you'll go through all these hoops for chicks who end up being insufferable the majority of the time.  I have other paid mentorship groups and when I ask for other people's experience everyone goes quiet like they're embarrassed to admit their results are similar if not worse.  Are you all having a wildly different experience?  

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Should i just plan something on the app? or push for the number? If pushing for the number, what should I say?

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I was hooking up at my place with a really quite DTF girl from Hinge. I fingered her then went down on her, both until she came. Then she took my pants off and gave me a handjob over my briefs. Then I pinned her and playfully choked her. At that point, she unexpectedly excused herself to the bathroom. After that, she said this isn't gonna work out and gave me some bullshit excuse like "it's not my style", then "you don't seem to know what you're doing", then left. When I asked her what make her say that, she pulled another excuse "the kissing wasn't good, too much tongue". She is big into kissing but she also used her tongue a lot, so I don't buy that.  Do you think she was real about the kissing too much tongue? Or was it the choking? I also have to say I didn't get hard, even during her handjob. Could that be the reason why? Is it possible that she thought I'm only choking her in an attempt to get hard?

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Most guys think dating apps are about what you say. That matters… But only AFTER you get the match. This guy is 44… and pulled: •⁠ ⁠300+ likes on Tinder •⁠ ⁠150+ likes on Hinge In 48 hours. Same apps. Same effort. Just a better profile.

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I'm like extremely lucky to have the looks, when tinder used to work i had hundred of matches, compliments, and at least 10 first date lays. I moved to Milan last may thinking tinder will work better in a big city but it's just dead now. I'm in Milan so in one of the best cities in the world to approach but approach anxiety is absolutely gonna ruin my life. If this keeps going until i lose my looks i will be fucked. I have girls staring all the time, yesterday for example i was at McDonald's, like every Friday evening there was plenty of young attractive girls that want to grab something after school. There was this group of girls staring at me, they see an attractive guy that looks like a fuck boy, with earrings, tattoo, hat, but i acted like a pussy on the inside and did not approach. They kept staring until i finished my coffee and now I'm so hurt and frustrated because i will lose my looks and get old without fun experiences to remember. What i should've have done in this situation? They were 3 girls, no free table next to them. Approach and ask one of them for ig? I feel it takes an extremely high level of courage, but at the same time i proved to myself i can do it. I approached in the past. My ig also sucks and i still don't have the money for unreal pics, so my brain uses that as an excuse. Young girls like to give ig, not the number. Same thing happens when I'm in the city center next to the cathedral, if a girl stare at me i get self conscious and can't look back at her, which is absurd because they are the best ones to approach. I also star feeling weird when I'm at the mall or walking in the city center looking for tourists or local girls, it's like i start to feel like a predator as if everybody knows what I'm looking for. I also start to think that the girl i approach will know I've been looking for girls all day. If it wasn't for all this i could approach 100 girls a day and get every week in Milan, I'm absolutely wasting and throwing away my life and it hurts. The fact that i have the looks hurts even more

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Hey fam I recently got divorced and am coming back to the game. This forum was gold before i got married so I'm excited to be back in here! I've got a lot of new pics but they haven't been tested yet, so was hoping for some feedback on which ones to choose. Thank you!

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