I've been on dating apps on and off for a year and have gone on around a few dozen first dates after improving my text game. Forget about getting them home, I can't even get past the first date as most just don't reply or just ghost/unmatch after the date and the ones who do, mention that there wasn't any spark/ we weren't compatible. I'm completely frustrated on what is causing this issue as there is no feedback whatsoever apart from knowing I fucked up somewhere. Self assessment: 1) Conversation/flirting: First off, I think I am a terrible flirt irl, my convos feel pretty boring even if I ask them exciting and different questions based off of advice here and in general. I also have a bad sense of humor and cannot make any sexual jokes even if I try hard. It is the complete opposite of what I come off while doing text game. In fact, I STILL don't even know how to flirt/what flirting is nor seem to learn it from all these dates. 2) Physical escalation: Advice online tells me I need to sexualize the convo and physically escalate to touching her but the girls just seem to be hesitant to answer or ask a question in return after sexualizing and or just straight up reject my advances of touch physically. I can get in a couple of shoulder taps and hand touching by using her bracelet/nails/tattoos as an excuse but have zero idea on how to go beyond that, especially if we're sitting at a bar table side to side....it also feels super awkward to put my arm around the girl's shoulder/waist or brush her hair since i got rejected for doing that on multiple dates. 3) Kissing: I try to go for a kiss at the end while leaving sometimes but the girl either puts her face away thinking of it as a harmless hug or just gets super surprised when I just go for it instead. Sometimes I just don't feel like kissing since I know the date didn't end well as the girl just uses an excuse to cut the date short quickly. In fact, all of my dates never last for more than an hour and half. 4) Venues: I've tried to switch things up and try different venues: Coffee shops, bars, dance clubs, walk in the parks, arcades, bowling and restaurants but none seem to work. Kind of feeling down after so many rejections (got rejected again just now on today's date with the typical excuse of 'we aren't compatible' while typing this lol) and have zero idea on where to focus or how to improve my perceived and other possible shortcomings. Any advice? @avilench If you offer mentorship for in-person dating or know anyone who does it here locally please lmk, thanks in advance -PHX Arizona Local
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yes close means laid.
But actually it might be the AI photos you mentioned? idk if you use or heavy edit your photos but if girl has huge expectations and get let down, that could be it.
Have you done any night game? those can be pretty easy to get experience with physicality and closing
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I only used the level 2 of the handsome preset in Faceapp like Alex and Indian PE mentions in their advice for faceapping photos after getting pictures showcasing my best angles. I don't think I look like an entirely different person though, just enhanced. And I do flirt with them via texting so if they have an expectation that I'm gonna talk with them irl the same way then maybe that could seem like like a let down.
I've never approached irl, so no night game. I don't have any friends interested in going out with me either so I did try and go out by myself but the anxiety was just too overwhelming.
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man if you haven't approached any girl IRL, I dont know how you can get a girl to close, approaching is like step 1, and closing is the end game.
I understand this is PwF where the text game can make some legendary stuff happen but you gotta approach my dude, there are other channels that show how.
I go out by myself all the time, sure having a wing makes it a lil more fun and releases pressure, but my best learning moments was when I was solo and pressure was on tbh. Gotta master both imo if you really want to level up.