My first introduction into PUA world was The Game by Neil Strauss and the VH1 show “The Pickup Artist.” I had significant success in field but at one point got to a certain body count (not even that high) and had an overwhelming feeling that my soul was detaching from my body and I started to lose meaning in sex. I started asking myself “What number do I need to reach before I’m satisfied? That’s a weird thing to attach myself to a number body count, it felt so empty. I thoroughly enjoyed playing the game and was quite excited by the witty things I would come up with on the spot. I took on Mystery’s style of dating strippers and practicing game at strip clubs. Perfect place to practice game where there is an abundance of hot women opening you all the time. Also the most advanced shit tests by the most professional flirters. At some point, I decided to step back, fall in love, and get married to a woman my sister introduced me to. After about 3 years we divorced. Have a 4yo daughter now, and am conflicted about re-entering a world that sometimes gets to weird and sleezy territory. I ended up here after downloading bumble a week ago and experienced that the world has changed so much. You used to meet girls first then text, now there are two great filters before even an in person meetup. Level 1 = dating app game, level 2 = text game, level 3 =date. The videos are super informative and Alex certainly understands and explains dating dynamics well. After being in the relationship world for about 5 years, I’m super rusty so the videos are a life saver. My question is: What do people think about the ethical implications of playing the game? I feel like I reached a point in my life where I have healthy self esteem, don’t like to lie or be deceptive, and think way too much about hurting another one with daddy issues. Do I get really deep into the game and just go for threesomes for the rest of my life, which I was getting close to at one point and never achieved yet; enjoying a hedonistic life till I die with no one around (except my daughter) like the Uncle Wayne character from “Ghost of Girlfriends past? Or should I just learn enough text game and take another risk of a long term relationship just to end up back here even more behind in five years and older? I do remember often feeing immoral when I was active in the game. To game or not to game- that is the question. -Lukasz

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Oh also a third concern is: If I am in the game for a while and I do meet the one walking down the street but she is an innocent preschool teacher type, how do I tell her about my past if she asks? If it’s love can a girl handle higher body counts?

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overthinking it imo. just don't mention specific counts or lie. that's what girls do anyway lol.
wait a few dates and sex sessions before telling her about your kids. that way it won't be a dealbreaker and she'll already like you.

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Thank you for that I am thinking a lot about it. I actually put “Single Dad. Love spending the days with my4yo daughter” in my bumble profile.

Then I just recently downloaded Tinder and made my same profile except didn’t mention kids. I mostly got Tinder to practice text game and see if there is a significant difference between profile with kids and one without. Not that I wouldn’t try to meet up with a Tinder girl, but my style now is more day game and quality girls. So far doesn’t seem to be a big difference.

I figure that is a deal breaker to some, but I don’t want to lie or not be forward about having kids.
I actually think for a lot of women that might be a DHV though? Sign of maturity, a taste of how good of a potential father I could be, and shows that the boys swim strong. Maybe not though but again, can the game be played ethically without ignoring major realities of your life? In my personal life I’ve learned to be sincere and honest almost all the time and hiding something like kids feels uncomfortable to me now.

Anyway probably overthinking again but that’s why I’m on these forums. Trying to figure out an ethical way to get into the game if there is one?

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