I recently got back to dating using online apps. My dates go well (laughter, good conversation) but i'm not getting a second date. In my twenties, I used to meet women through daytime dating. I would approach with a direct opener and talk for around 10 minutes and schedule a date for the next 1-3 days. I didn't do any gamey attraction stuff on the dates- just talked about hobbies / passions. I went on maybe 15-20 dates with nice looking women, and virtually every one ended at least with a make out. Now that I'm in my mid thirties and meeting people from dating apps, I'm noticing that the tension is missing on the dates. I'm having the same type of good conversations with my dates (maybe even better), with laugher and sharing of interests. The women seem receptive and playful throughout the date (which lasts around 1.30 hours), but they don’t want a second date. The main difference I think is in the frame from online dating vs direct approaches. With direct approaches you automatically establish a dominant/confident frame with your approach. I wonder if I need to do something more ballsy/cocky on my dates to establish that frame. Any feedback is appreciated. To add context- I think I’m relatively nice looking for my target demo, and my profile images reflect well what I look like in real life.
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Thanks man- I really appreciate all the detail. I use online apps for relationships and less for casual sex so I'll probably adapt some of these tips to my style to make them more congruent, but I definitely think the underlying ideas behind it work - innuendos, imagery, body language, physical escalation, etc.. I'll post an update with my results.
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Please don't fall into the trap I fell into when I was having several failed dates in a row, I started making concessions for ladies on future dates like not speaking up for myself when they were late, not speaking up when they would whip out their phone mid-date, oh God... and even pay for their plate of food when I distinctly remember stating over text that this would be drinks only date. Was doing this all in a futile effort to maybe let this be the date that breaks my dry streak, guess what...it continued because the women could smell the desperation on me, wasn't till I stopped caring and did what I wanted to do on dates that I started getting laid again.
Another thing, if you meet a woman for drinks and she orders water, you already should know what the fuck is up and just leave bro. If she hasn't told you she's sober or something then her ordering water when you order yourself a Bud Light or whatever is a subtle cue that she's no longer interested and doesn't wanna feel obligated by you buying her a drink. I NEVER had a date go well when a woman orders herself water, I just wish her a nice evening and leave when this happens now.