i haven't gamed much outside of USA.. In US Ive noticed theres almost two "rule sets" and this may be women in general not just US women.. but the more casual and light hearted i keep it .. nothing is a big deal.. just sex all good.. whatever happens happens.. not looking for anything serious.. then I'm able to smash 1st night no problem.. zero investment...

BUT the second i start talking to a girl about anything other than meeting to see how we click.. like anything remotely boyfriendy or relationship related like I'm open to that at all.. then they immediately go into "no hookups" mode .. and its like you can still get same day lay but its a lot more hoops and shit tests ...and a lot of the time they dont want to hookup first night..

Best thing that has worked for me.. be fuckboy.. smash first night.. go into comfort building after hookup.. give them space.. make them reach out to me.. then decide if i want to date or not from there..

"I'm either getting laid or getting paid.. and while I'm getting one the other ones getting away" Lil Wayne

But yeah bro if youre trying to get more 3ways .. I'd encourage you to start bringing it up sooner.. if a chick is super down you can get them poppin the same day.. the main point is get one than the other.. doesnt have to be a long time spread in between.. one of my most recent was a girl i banged once.. and a visiting chick on vacation... hooked up with the local girl on a tuesday.. banged visitor on wednesday... threesomed on thursday.. then vacay left... and local girl became new 3some "wing/fwb" obiously if you're travelling a lot .. somtimes logistics will get in the way but as a thought experiment .. test out 3summing earlier as almost a "sticking point" you want to work thru if you're into them

Yes I'm USA based .. decent pics .. super sexual profile.. super screen-y game online... not a male model but solid game in person..

As far as frames.. i try and bring it up in playful ways "you're a Latina.. Latinas are either super fun and down for accidental drunken 3ways or super possessive and will cut me if i look at another chick.. there is no in between hahaha" ..this type of cold read can be win/win.. either shes down to 3 way or shes put herself into a jealosy plotline with imaginary women and subconsciously pre-selected you a bit .. or she may shit test at which point take it as an IOI and pass the test.. value goes up

PS. Congrats on being a digital nomad.. thats dope! I do IM as well. PM me if you ever have any questions or just want to brag about new successes .. im into all that shit

if you're at 350 then 3sums can be easy... in fact they're actually easier than 1on1 in a lot of cases because of the social proof... SMV of you as a guy who has a bi girl ...AND SMV of the girl herself.. not to mention preselection.. ANNNND its most girls fantasy

What has been most effective for me thusfar has been prescreening girls for bi curiosity.. then getting the "most down" of them to be my value add for the other girl... its almost like e commerce drop shipping or arbitrage... i get one girl whos down.. then her existnce is what pulls the other girls..

BIG MAJOR KEY for me.. I almost NEVER .. EVER bring make it sexual... its always like me: "hey you ever been curious?".. her: "yea i think every girls is curious" me:"say what? youve wanted to do a 3 sum?? thats crazy .. omg my fwb is bi we should all hang out some time and get to know each other.."

Im never like "come over and 3 way now".. its always implied and if they have objections ..calibrate and down play it.. just hanging out.. we gotta meet and all like each other... super chill just a glass of wine and see what happens .. no expectations etc etc

Theres a good guide on here about it thats very similar to what I do .. im less sexual about it usually but this guide is straight forward and money

https://www.playingfire.com/how-to-have-a-threesome-on-tinder-detailed-breakdown-from-start-to-finish/

Step 2 is most important.. having the bi chick whos down to pull chicks with you.

Thanks for the feedback.. for clarity 1/3 of total closes are not 3 somes.. Ive had a couple long term gfs.. with whom I've had multiple 3 ways.

Like if a guy has slept with 10 girls but has had sex 1000 times... same thing here.. hundreds of 1on1 w different women.. 100+ threesomes overall.. id say 25ish girls total between the 3ways/4ways ..one situation my gf and i had a gf together for a little over a month...so multiple 3ways with that gf/gf pair.. rest of 300 are individual lays...

"Bi girl - why are you dating her? Sounds to me you guys dont actually click and youre just in it for the sex. If thats the case, its not surprising you dont care to engage her when things get heated." Yes. I basically enjoy 3somes with her but don't find her super fascinating outside of our sexual chemistry.

"The frames you should set dont involve ‘coercion’ or ‘look at how many bitches I can fuck, you disposable slut’. The strongest frames you can have are strong boundaries and the honesty willingness to walk away. And then do it. Anything else is ineffective." I feel like this is really good feedback because while I don't verbalize it i can see how I would give off the disposable slut frame to women.. because that's how Im starting to feel towards a lot of them ..I agree I should work on getting clear on my boundaries in my own head then I'll be able to walk away or not more effectively based on those actual boundaries .. my biggest sticking point with this is I let my boundaries slide to get more 3ways or compromise boundaries to gets lays initially ... I mean I dont give a fuck about the Kardashians but if we all stopped fucking girls who are into bullshit and celebrity drama we'd get rid of 90% of the pool.. so its like where's the line between an unavoidable annoyance and an actual boundary ?

"Still figuring this one out myself lol, but I think its true. Its just rarer." I'm finding it more and more rare as I get older and the women I date stay the same age lol ..especially as culture shifts

"And if you are dating someone, id avoid the whole ‘post pics w other girls things’. Even if you guys fuck other girls together, the girl still wants to feel like a human. If its an open relationship, you do your thing, but it shouldn’t be shoved in your partners face. Nobody likes that. Dont ask dont tell kinda thing." I feel this and should probably implement it .. but tbh it's one of the most effective ways to get girls off the fence for me... I've had fence sitters go from non compliance ...to asking to meet me asap ..when they see me with hot girls on my stories. .. I've even tested screenshotting convos of girls telling me how well I fucked them and sending it to other girls who I've yet to meet or fuck ..very polarizing but more effective than most people would think ..hard yes or hard nos

Anyway I especially find the "frames" distinction valuable... thanks for the feedback I feel like you're being really genuine and I appreciate that.

Wait 2 days.. re-engage with a cliff hanger... i.e "Can I ask you something kind of fucked up?" or "I just had the weirdest thought about you" .. then when they respond take the convo back into whatever direction you want .. .. "Before I tell you my weird thought.. do you like wine?" blah blah blah.

She's probably fat.