Okay so quick lesson report from me since it seems like only a couple of guys post them and I want to add some value. By the way, I don't call them failure reports because to me there aren't any Ls in life; only wins and lessons. This girl was from the https://forums.playingfire.com/posts/cold-approach-texting-not-my-best-work-feedback-welcome post I recently made about a girl I cold approached at the mall. I will spare the screenshot but it was a super easy confirmation text yesterday afternoon (the day before). One thing to note is she didn't respond back until this morning but because I was patient and didn't double text yesterday it worked out fine. I get to the bar and get a booth set up with the hostess before she gets there and follow Indian PE's instructions to the letter about picking a booth to sit on the same side and somewhere without being in the center so it can be more intimate then text her I'm here 5 minutes before out meet time. She gets there on time and looks amazing. Tall blonde personal trainer with a crazy sick body (former college track athlete). Easily the hottest girl I have ever been on a date with (cold approach FTW by the way). She is very smiley and I give her a hug. I have her sit on the inside of the booth and we start chatting while a waitress takes our drink order. We really hit it off in the first 15 minutes. She is laughing and smile and just very natural smooth flowing convo. The chemistry is very strong (our knees are touching and she is messing with her hair and making hard direct eye contact back at me) and then we get into a topic about that she is moving soon to a town about 15 minutes from where she lives now and this is where things take a turn for the worse. She tells me she wants to move closer to "her church". I call back to her mentioning her church in our cold approach interaction and kind of just shrugged it off. So I start to probe since I am not religious and find most ultra religious people to not be my cup of tea. She tells me she has spoken to god many times before and that she goes to church multiple times per week. We then start to discuss some of her beliefs since I am already starting to decide that this is not a long term viable option for me and it would strictly only be a hook up potential due to incompatibility to things I hold in conviction. So I ask her how she feels about gay people (probably a mistake but I have multiple gay friends / family members who I care about and support LBGT rights so its a deal breaker to me) and she tells me she thinks its wrong. She instantly sees my look of disgust and starts to call it out. I calmly just state well we don't have to agree on everything to have an amazing and passionate romantic relationship which she nods to and we change subjects. We get back on track talking about her passions and some other more flirty topics (craziest trip, weirdest first date etc). I then start to ask her some of the sexual leading questions that Indian PE recommends in talking about previous relationships at which point I uncover she is a 28 year old virgin who has never had an orgasm and is waiting for marriage. I cringe internally and decide that this is over but I want to work on my sexual leading questions since that is an area of improvement for me so I ask her some more stuff and she is the most extreme prude I have ever been around. I start to feel I am turning her on though so I decide to stay in the pocket a bit longer. We talk about what she finds sexy about guys (she gets uncomfortable and asks me to use the word attractive) so she tells me what she finds attractive and it is mostly what I expected given her personality. So then I start pressing her about asking if she has ever dated someone like me who is much more confident and direct. She says she has only dated guys who were also waiting until marriage so I laugh and say she would be introduced to a whole new world with me. I start to realize I can probably get her to break her rule but then start to have an internal dialog about if it is worth my time while I converse with her some more. Ultimately I decide if I can get her to agree to have date #2 at my place then I could probably give her an oral orgasm and then its anyone guess on how long she holds out from there. So I seed a 2nd date of me cooking for her about 20 minutes before we were going to leave (I knew I would have to go this route based on our conversation and that splitting a bottle of wine wouldn't work). She says thinks about it for like 15 seconds and I call her out asking if she is too nervous to be at a confident good looking man's place alone and she says yes. She says she would probably end up regretting the evening afterward if she came over considering how different I am from the guys she previous dated (aka all betas). I decide right then that this isn't going to work and that I do think I could get what I want but the juice isn't worth the squeeze. I pay the check and tell her we should get her home. I give her a hug (don't even go for the kiss / makeout) and text her as soon as I get home that I think she's super sweet but that we want different things and that I wouldn't be seeing her again. So what did I learn? If a girl ever uses the phrase "my church" again versus just saying church then red flags should be going off and I should probe in person with some playful teasing questions to screen better. Or at the very least screen better / sexualizing in the texting when I am setting date set up. Abundance Mentality is such a crazy powerful tool. The old me which had a scarcity mindset would have probably tried to make this work since this girl was far and away the best looking girl I have ever been on a date with. However the empowered new me just dropped her the minute I got home because she had deal breaker qualities for me despite the pretty solid chemistry otherwise and my belief that I could eventually get her to break her sex rules. Even a bad date result can be used to practice areas you of the game that you struggle in (in fact it may be the best time to get out of your comfort zone because you already considered the experience a L by not wanting to see her again. If I ever get into this situation again of not wanting to seethe girl again then I will push the boundary of the areas that I need to work on (which currently is sexualizing on a date and holding eye contact). Anyways hope some of these lessons can help you guys in your coming dates. Until next time.
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Okay so background. I day game cold approached this girl today at the mall today. By far the hottest girl I've gotten a date with online or cold approach (which I recently started adding into my overall game). Side note there is 1000% a correlation to getting better looking women through cold approach then online and its worth the effort to learn day game (I have gone 3 for 15 on numbers with 1 date in my first 15 approaches but the girls who gave their number / this one that I am 99% sure won't flake are way hotter then the girls I generally match with online. Anyway back to the situation. I seeded that we have a drinks date before getting her number in person and moved to text. I will share the entire exchange since it extremely far off of my online game. I watched all of Alex's videos on cold approach texting and it seems he takes a different path as well. Anyways I get her to agree to the a date on Monday (you can see how it played out). However I know it was not optimal and most of it felt so foreign to what I am used to with online matches. I tried screening and sexualizing but it felt off. I did get her to qualify herself but she clearly avoided the sexualization. I also know I did a pretty awful job of sexualizing during the cold approach as well and its something I want to improve quickly. Also my texts are probably giving off way too much investment but I wasn't sure what to do since it is pretty far outside of my gameplay. I think I was far too logical in this exchange as well and should have trolled a touch more. Another note, she lives about 1 hour away from me but I am going to be in her area for an appointment on Monday which is one of the reasons why I opted for Monday instead of Saturday night next week. The other reasons were that she had something that Sunday morning anyways and it was going to be 8 days away from today. So I figured I would go for a day 2 frame with a public drinks date on Monday and a Saturday date at my place since logistics were bad for next Saturday anyways. Last point, I saw after the fact she said "Monday could work" and I should have said "you don't sound that confident" but I missed that in the moment. Reagrdless I feel this is a very limited risk for flaking based on my in person interaction with her how she handled this exchange (she was leading toward the close and her response to setting up a location. Anyway all critiques / feedback would be welcome.
So I did a couple of hours of day game cold approach today (my skills need a ton of work but it was great to work on it). My question is do you switch your approach opener when talking to a girl who is working but one that is shopping? Like one of the issues I felt weird about today was approaching women working in different stores. Like I would walk by the store look in and see a cute girl in there so I would walk in with no real reason to be in that shop (one of the shops was like woman's clothing shop specifically) so I just went up to the girls right away and said I saw her as I was walking by thought she was cute and wanted to meet her. It just felt like something was off with that opener versus doing that with a girl who was shopping. I would love some feedback on if I should keep with this strategy or adjust based on them working there and not having a reason reason to go in. I am thinking I am just in my head about being rusty on it and having some approach anxiety but want to confirm that it was the right move.
Just wanted general feedback on my size of city (and surrounding towns). I live about 1 hour north of a major US city that has about 2M+ people but the amount of people that live within 20 mins of me is around 150k (I live next to an okay sized college town and some other smaller cities with 30-40k people). I am in my 30s so I can't really troll the college campus. Just curious if I am really shooting myself in the foot. I have ties to this area that I can't move to the big city but I am just curious. I have 2 questions. Has anyone lived in this size of area of 150k people and have run out of people online to match with if you are using Tinder, Bumble and Hinge? Should I open up my radius to include the big city? It's about 60-70 miles away (mostly highway) but that opens up a ton more possibilities. A 40 mile radius I have another city of 200k that gets added to the 150k people that are within 30 miles of me.
So have a decent flirty interaction on tinder with a girl and soft close to the number. This is where things start to go bad. Get genuine concern from her after a touch of roleplay talking about her date that she tells me a previous sexual assault victim and I’m not sure how to respond to her. It feels like I may not be a good match with her at this point because of this (feels horrible to say to be honest). Any thoughts?
Not sure what to do with this one. Kinda got off to the wrong frame to start and now completely stuck. I could just try and reframe and ask her to give me some of the basics but not sure.
I think this one is pretty bad by me in a few spots but now I am kinda in a jammed reply from her. I will say it is fucking irritating for her to take it wrong way about me being playful about putting some excitement in her life translating into her be boring. Now I just want to fuck her and ghost her since she's annoyed me. Thoughts on where I can do from here?
Does anyone know how to get to the Password Protected Love reports? I can't figure out what password to put in despite being a mastermind member.
Girl opens me with a pretty sexual themed set of pictures (I will attach a couple of her to give you the picture). She had a one picture of her showing off her big booty next to bunch of pumpkin that I thought I made a funny / sexual reply to her opener and it doesn't appear to have gotten a positive reaction. Curious to where you think I went wrong (maybe too gamey). I could have just given an easy / safe reply but decided to take this route because YOLO and their are more fish in the sea. Just unlucky or bad decision?
The first 3 messages from me is really my question. I got it back on track but I feel I got lucky on this one and it could have spun off the rails super easy. Maybe over analyzing it but I have started using this style of opener a lot (I like your style + something in their pictures which are usually pets or tattoos). Just want to make sure this is okay over larger sample size. One more note, I can add the next screenshot but its just me saying "shoot me your number then" and her giving it to me.
