So my roommate is quite possibly the best natural game guy ever, litery every guy he meets says that, and most girls he interacts with want to fuck him within a few minutes of vibing.
He is a 6'2 charismatic, athletic guy with a foreign accent. His style of game is high energy and very flirty.
What I am trying to get at is that, as his roommate we go out to bars and clubs together often and basically makes me look like dogshit in comparison to him. I'd consider myself still a beginner, at least in terms of nightgame. He will often get half the girls at a venue on his hook by the end of the night, and I as his roommate will end up going back home with him. So if a girl is going to our house, she can clearly make a choice, and the odds are not in my favor. He is not good at sharing women, he either brings one girl home for himself or multiple for himself because he just can't help his flirty personality that completely trumps over mine.
So the question is, should I avoid going out with him altogether? or how can I leverage him to my advantage?
What do you guys think
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Nop. You're coming from a place of an envious mindset. I'd offer value to the guy and learn game from him. Watch him. Observe him. You could literally use this guy as a mentor. And befriend him. Don't view this as a competition. Won't help your results. Ask him how you can help, or when you get into the group set with him, how you can add to the vibe. Etc. So much could be learned from him
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i would never be envious of him. I'm just very intrigued by how naturally good he is, which is hard to replicate correctly, and as he says, he "can't help it" its a part of his personality. its also hard to be a wingman with him since he is super flirty with all girls and whenever he trys to be a good wingman he says things like "kiss my friend for me" which makes me look needy or low value (not sure how i can make that look good for me)
but yeah, nightgame always makes me depressed and want to give up. i need extreme help (if only i could afford bootcamp) or i will straight up give up.
Bro, literally stalk him. Like go with him and just observe see what he says and look at his reactions. Then come back and write it down in detail i we will break it down for ya
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Yeah i mean its hard to break it down since he's so natural lol he doesn't even know what he's doing. he's just the life of yhe party and flirts with everyone.
I think its fine to go out with a better looking dude but you need to handle things a bit differently. You're going to need to peel off and solo approach in the bars and then find your friend later. I get the feeling either he is taking the lead on approaching or you both approaching groups of girls together at the same time and it fucks it up. If you watch John Anthony's cold approach content he usually has friends around but is actually opening girls on his own and then pulling them to another part of the bar to isloate by saying he wants them to meet his friends. I would suggest maybe go with your roommate but don't spend every minute with him at your hip in the bar. If you open a girl and she's doesn't have any cute friends for your roommate then you should probably just stay in set alone or work on just pulling (or getting her number) without him getting involved. You'll treat it more like you check in with him or grab a drink every 15-30 minutes and see how things are going but don't just hang directly with him all night or you will have a hard time playing second fiddle to a guy with a higher SMV.
I would also have a conversation about how you interact on who approaches / opens get to pick the girl they want. So when you roll off and get into a set that you he doesn't swing in and try and take your chic. Just set clear boundaries with that and if he's a decent guy who respects your firendship then he won't break that.
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I haven't been there before, but it sounds like an honest conversation could be good. See if he's up for helping you wing or something. It sounds like he's either selfish or doesn't realize you're trying to pull girls too, so if it's the latter, change that.
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Bro, imo a dude like that can only HELP your game. Imagine having the opposite as a roommate, that is what ruins game.
Just try exchanging with the dude if your struggling, say you'll buy him the first few drinks or help with something in return for his help in game. Also dont be giving off the envy vibes or trying to sabotage whatever he got going. Not saying you are but he might be jaded from that happening before from someone else or something.
This kind of makes me want to get a good wing as a roommate or just to wing in general, longshot but if anyone is in honolulu hmu :D
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Yeah he can definitely be a good wing if we were closer in our level of game. but when theres such a difference in our game level, his natural charisma draws the whole group towards just him. I'll keep this in mind. the fact that it comes so natural to him makes it hard to learn from him because in his mind he doesn't even try and it "just happens".
he is very high energy and simply copying him is difficult and can look corny. but i forsure take notes and extrapolate some things from his game.