This post is about the challenges, hopefully we can come up with ways to address them. The issue is that most of the text game flow from the blue-print and majority of the YouTube breakdowns do not seem to work for this type of girls. Why bother? This is a particular physical type of girl (usually very skinny) which may be of special interest to certain PWF members. Certainly is for me. Since this is the diametrical opposite of Alex's type, it got, understandably, little attention. In a nutshell it seems near impossible to get these girls out on a date where game can be applied for a subsequent close. My experience is with girls in late 20s early 30s, who have been living in London for a number of years so not FOB material, but they seem to act exactly like it. Some girls will have fairly provocative photos so there seems to be a degree of DTF-ness deep down beneath all the layers of objections and insecurities. Patterns observed from 20+ interactions: English tends to be choppy. Need to keep language very simple (Alex mentioned this at some point). This is one reason they don't want to meet actually, because they say they are going to be embarrassed if they cannot engage in the conversation. They seem to create the illusion that somehow they will fall in love over text and the English will just get better by then or not matter at all. Not sure how to challenge or deal with this totally false premise which then also becomes an objection. They start off extremely formal "I think you are a gentleman, maybe you can introduce yourself". To this they literally expect your full name, age, occupation (job title and company), listing of hobbies. Easy to bounce them to WhatsApp or WeChat. In many cases they will even initiate this. Location: Wine date to the house is not even worth trying. I think it's like the Colombia exception that Alex shared. Best option I feel is to get them to a public date. Impossible to sexualize. Even hinting at sex gets you blown out of the set very quickly. Best I feel is to just ignore this until the date. This is of course not optimal and risks more time wasted on dates where you find out it will really take ages to get a close. This is a problem for later at the moment. Meaningless conversations. They follow up multiple times per day to ask what you are doing, have you had lunch (not kidding), what are your plans, etc. None of this moves anything forward and just wastes time. They cannot engage in deeper topics, like the ones where you get to know someone for real (like talking about past relationships) usually because of language issues. Meeting puzzle. They say they will meet once "we are familiar with each other" which is an unmeasurable milestone so there is no cap on how long the texting needs to go on. I tried arguing that they can only become familiar with a person they have met in real life and that until then the person is just an avatar in a chat app. This still didn't work and they insist that they will not meet "strangers". Not sure how to break this down. It may be the case that these girls, no matter how many of them and how much they would fit a desired type are all simply write-offs for online game. Alternatively there may be some text game that can break down their concerns to get them on dates where hopefully some will close after maybe a second date. I would like some thoughts on this. Stuff I considered but have not tried yet: Get them to agree to a video call. Use this as an argument of "we are now familiar" and then go on a public date. Suggest that they can bring a friend to the public date to really address safety. (the friend can be made to leave once some comfort is established) Thanks for reading and please feed back on how you see this topic and the specific issues raised.